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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 2:26PM #21
LeahOne
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May 20, 2012 -- 12:29PM, G.flower wrote:


Uh-huh. And the First Coming of Strawberry Shortcake was on July 3, 1988. Strawberry Shortcake will arrive again on a white horse in 2022.


Or I could be making it all up.





Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!  Strawberries all wrapped in white chocolate, ooooooh, YEAH!  : ))
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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 2:43PM #22
Ken
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May 20, 2012 -- 12:22PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The second coming of Jesus was in 312AD, on Oct. 28th, when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow.


Nope, we've already refuted that. You need to cut out all the things that have been refuted and make the necessary adjustments to your interpretation.

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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 3:29PM #23
G.flower
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May 20, 2012 -- 2:26PM, LeahOne wrote:


May 20, 2012 -- 12:29PM, G.flower wrote:


Uh-huh. And the First Coming of Strawberry Shortcake was on July 3, 1988. Strawberry Shortcake will arrive again on a white horse in 2022.


Or I could be making it all up.





Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!  Strawberries all wrapped in white chocolate, ooooooh, YEAH!  : ))




What a right on interpretation! Now we'll all have Strawberry Shortcake to celebrate. Or dipped in white chocolate, your choice!

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius
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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 5:06PM #24
BillWitt
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May 20, 2012 -- 11:40AM, Tpaine wrote:

Hi Bill,


I disagree with you to the extent that I believe there was a man named Yeshua (Joshua/Jesus) who lived at the beginning of the first century CE. Given what the Bible says . . .


Thomas, there very well could be a historical figure sitting behind these stories of myths, and I feel there probably was, but how do we determine this??  Do we use the stories of myth to show Jesus actually did exist, or do we require outside independent sources to determine it?  The problem is, is that we don't have any outside independent sources to verify it.  Even when you said, "Given what the Bible says" about Jesus, you were using these stories of myth to determine what you thought was true about Jesus.  This is not an outside independent source.


Thomas, this is not the appropriate Board to discuss whether Jesus actually did exist, or did not, so we should probably drop the conversation at this point.  It really doesn't make much difference to me, whether he did exist or not.  It probably doesn't to you either. 




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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 5:28PM #25
Tpaine
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May 20, 2012 -- 1:28PM, Sacrificialgoddess wrote:


May 19, 2012 -- 8:32PM, Tpaine wrote:


Report: Majority Of Americans Unprepared For Apocalypse Link



I will have you know that I am fully prepared for the Zombie Apocalypse. The Robot Apocalypse, however, I am still working on.



You did notice the source of that link didn't you?

"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am a friend of its happiness: When these things can be said, then may the country boast its constitution and its government." -- Thomas Paine: The Rights Of Man (1791)
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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 5:50PM #26
Tpaine
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May 20, 2012 -- 5:06PM, BillWitt wrote:


May 20, 2012 -- 11:40AM, Tpaine wrote:

Hi Bill,


I disagree with you to the extent that I believe there was a man named Yeshua (Joshua/Jesus) who lived at the beginning of the first century CE. Given what the Bible says . . .


Thomas, there very well could be a historical figure sitting behind these stories of myths, and I feel there probably was, but how do we determine this??  Do we use the stories of myth to show Jesus actually did exist, or do we require outside independent sources to determine it?  The problem is, is that we don't have any outside independent sources to verify it.  Even when you said, "Given what the Bible says" about Jesus, you were using these stories of myth to determine what you thought was true about Jesus.  This is not an outside independent source.


Thomas, this is not the appropriate Board to discuss whether Jesus actually did exist, or did not, so we should probably drop the conversation at this point.  It really doesn't make much difference to me, whether he did exist or not.  It probably doesn't to you either.



IMO, you're right about two things. Whether or not such a man actually existed doesn't make any difference, and this is the wrong forum to discuss it.


Mea culpa.Consuetudinic magna vis est.

"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am a friend of its happiness: When these things can be said, then may the country boast its constitution and its government." -- Thomas Paine: The Rights Of Man (1791)
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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 7:09PM #27
BillWitt
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May 20, 2012 -- 5:50PM, Tpaine wrote:

IMO, you're right about two things. Whether or not such a man actually existed doesn't make any difference, and this is the wrong forum to discuss it.


Thanks, Thomas, I was pretty sure you would agree with me on least those two items. 


My own position on a historical Jesus, is that whatever information we have about him (if we have any), sits so far back in antiquity, and is buried under so many layers of mythology that we will never be able to determine what was true about him, or if he actually did exist.  My own guess, is that he probably did, but I can't give (or have I found) any evidence to support this.   It's just a feeling I have from the way early Christianity appears to have gotten started, and it sure didn't appear to start in the Jewish communities of Palestine where you would have expected it to develop.

We'd better drop this conversation on this Board.  I just wanted to let you know my position on a historical Jesus.  Agree, or disagree, it doesn't make much difference to me, and it probably doesn't to you either.   
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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 7:15PM #28
Sacrificialgoddess
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May 20, 2012 -- 5:28PM, Tpaine wrote:


May 20, 2012 -- 1:28PM, Sacrificialgoddess wrote:


May 19, 2012 -- 8:32PM, Tpaine wrote:


Report: Majority Of Americans Unprepared For Apocalypse Link



I will have you know that I am fully prepared for the Zombie Apocalypse. The Robot Apocalypse, however, I am still working on.



You did notice the source of that link didn't you?




When I tried the link, it didn't actually go anywhere.

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

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1 year ago  ::  May 20, 2012 - 11:41PM #29
MMarcoe
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May 19, 2012 -- 6:18PM, Churchwork wrote:

Will Jesus return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest)?Yes,

  • because 75 years is within a lifetime (Ps. 90.10);
  • because Abraham entered the promise land at 75 (Gen. 12.5);
  • because "you know the summer is near" (Matt. 24.32) when the "fig tree...branch is tender" (v.32);
  • Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 390 days takes us to exactly May, 1948 when Israel became a nation again;
  • thus, you "know that it is near, even at the doors" (v.33).

Can we narrow down the time of the Tribulation and when Jesus returns? Yes,

  • because before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31, Rev. 6.12) there is a great earthquake (2010/11), unique solar eclipse (Nov. 3, 2013) and unique lunar eclipse (2014/15);
  • thus, the Tribulation can start no sooner than 2015.

How do we get even more exact for the time the Tribulation starts?

  • Each year there are from Feast of Trumpets 2,520 (Dan. 9.27, 12.7, Rev. 12.6) days to Tisha B'Av or 2,550 (Dan. 12.11) days to Day of Atonement;
  • there are 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) from they day before Passover to Tisha B'Av from 2016 to 2022 and for 2017 to 2023;
  • thus, we know the Tribulation starts on Feast of Trumpets either Sept. 14, 2015 or Oct. 3, 2016.

Which year does the Tribulation start?

  • There are seven sets of seven from June 7, 1967 (double fulfilment of Dan. 9.25) when Israel became a nation to the Day of Atonement June 23, 2015 (total of 17,640 days);
  • when Jesus returns, He judges the nations for 30 days from the 1260th to the 1290th day;
  • 2015 is a Jubilee year once every 50 years and it is a Sabbath year once every seven years (these years are confirmed going back to the start of the first Jubilee which was 3986 BC when Adam was 18 years old;
  • thus, the Tribulation must start on Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14 in 2015.

What day does Jesus step down on the mount of olives?

  • Jesus would step down on the 2,520th day which would be Aug. 7, 2022.



Except that you're making all this up. It's not Biblical.



 

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.
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1 year ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 12:24AM #30
Ferretling
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The Velociraptor Apacalypse will take place on June 6, 2013.
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