Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:27PM, Ken wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The 5 horsemen are 5 Christian nations that, if the first ones are any indication, last for a thousand years and rule Jerusalem at some point. 

The Holy Roman Empire did not last a thousand years and did not rule Jerusalem. The British Empire did not last a thousand years either.

The Holy Roman Empire lasted from 800 to 1806. The Holy Roman Empire ruled Rome when the Pope issued the plea for a crusade to the Holy Land.

Apr 25, 2012 -- 9:46PM, Ken wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 9:03PM, theinterpreter wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:27PM, Ken wrote:

Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:20PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The 5 horsemen are 5 Christian nations that, if the first ones are any indication, last for a thousand years and rule Jerusalem at some point. 

The Holy Roman Empire did not last a thousand years and did not rule Jerusalem. The British Empire did not last a thousand years either.

The Holy Roman Empire lasted from 800 to 1806.

It lasted from 962 to 1806. Charlemagne's empire was not the Holy Roman Empire. It fell apart a generation after his death.

Apr 25, 2012 -- 9:03PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The Holy Roman Empire ruled Rome when the Pope issued the plea for a crusade to the Holy Land.

Nope. Pope Urban II openly detested the Holy Roman Empire and refused to be ruled by it.

Apr 26, 2012 -- 9:55PM, NjoyAADAirbrush wrote:

Christian persecution is going on throughout the world. Here in America we are browbeat for the most part; yet, in other parts of the world people are being murdered, for their Christian faith.

I'm sorry, but you do not get to claim persecution. Historically, Christianity has more often been the persecutor than the persecuted. In this country, Christians have had everything their own way from the beginning. American Christians have nothing to complain about just because they're no longer allowed to deface public property with their tacky Nativity scenes, post their insipid Ten Commandments in every courthouse, and brainwash children in the public schools. Did you think you were going to push the rest of us around forever?

By the way, none of that stuff in Revelation is going to happen.

Apr 26, 2012 -- 5:56PM, Ken wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 4:50PM, theinterpreter wrote:

Historians credit Charlemagne with founding the Holy Roman Empire (albeit the word "Holy" was added later.

They don't. Charlemagne's empire broke apart a few decades after his death. There was no continuity between it and the later Holy Roman Empire. Otto I wasn't even related to Charlemagne.

They do. Otto I was a sucessor to Charlemagne. See encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Holy...

"Ce corps qui s'appelait et qui s'appelle encore le saint empire romain n'était en aucune manière ni saint, ni romain, ni empire."
"This agglomeration which was called and which still calls itself the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire." -- Voltaire: Essai sur l'histoire générale et sur les mœurs et l'esprit des nations, Chapter 70 (1756)