May 24, 2012 -- 4:56PM, Ken wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 4:42PM, theinterpreter wrote:

May 23, 2012 -- 7:52PM, Tpaine wrote:

Thanks a pant load, Ken. Now we're going to be told about how some line drawn through the churches of Asia will lead us to that great humanitarian (except for that genocide thing) Slobodan Milošević. Oh, wait, Milošević was a communist and an atheist. I guess some Christians overlook little things like that. Link

 Milošević was not an atheist. He is a member of the Serbian Orthodox Church, and is the 5th horseman. Belgrade and Pec are pointed to by the starguide, also Skopje, the ancient capital of Serbia.

He was, however, an evil bastard. Or do you deny that?

No, see prior post for proof. He was an atheist, he wanted no clergy present when he was buried because he was an atheist.

Another Serbian daily, Glas Javnosti, also notes the absence of family, pointing out that no religious ritual was performed during the ceremony. BBC

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4822930.stm

May 24, 2012 -- 4:34PM, theinterpreter wrote:

May 23, 2012 -- 8:22PM, Ken wrote:

I don't want to hear about drawing lines through things unless I am first shown where Revelation says to draw lines through things.

Why else would the 7 Asian churches be called stars and messengers?

Because they were in a position to spread the message John wanted spread among the Christians in Asia Minor.

May 24, 2012 -- 4:58PM, theinterpreter wrote:

May 23, 2012 -- 3:56PM, Ken wrote:

May 23, 2012 -- 3:39PM, theinterpreter wrote:

May 22, 2012 -- 8:07PM, Ken wrote:

And how does that get you to a "starguide"?

The 7 Asian churches are called stars and they guide us to all of the good things foretold (just like sailors of old used stars to guide them).

How? I don't understand that business about "vectors." Where does it mention vectors in the Bible?

It mentions stars which is the same thing to ancient navagators. The 7 stars form 21 vectors called great circles that circle the earth, bisecting many important cities and events, allowing us to safely navigate the Revelation. The reason Jesus did not return before 95 AD is because some of the Asian churches did not exist until then.

Obviously, history was not your best subject. The church in Ephesus was founded before 50 CE. The church in Smyrna was founded near the beginning of Paul's third missionary journey in either 52 or 53 CE. The church in Pergamon was also funded between 50 & 55 CE. The church in Thyatira was founded at the beginning of Paul's second missionary journey in 49 CE. The church in Sardis was also founded during Paul's third missionary journey between 52& 53 CE. The church in Philadelphia was founded during Paul's second missionary journey in 49 CE. Finally, the church at Laodicea was founded during Paul's third missionary journey in either 52 or 53 CE. Therefore, all seven churches in Asia were founded over 50 years before John of Patmos wrote Revelation in 95 CE.

May 24, 2012 -- 7:32PM, theinterpreter wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 5:03PM, Ken wrote:

May 24, 2012 -- 4:58PM, theinterpreter wrote:

May 23, 2012 -- 3:56PM, Ken wrote:

How? I don't understand that business about "vectors." Where does it mention vectors in the Bible?

It mentions stars which is the same thing to ancient navagators. The 7 stars form 21 vectors called great circles that circle the earth, bisecting many important cities and events. The reason Jesus did not return before 95 AD is because some of the Asian churches did not exist until then.

Where does it mention any of that in the Bible? That is my question. I require exact citations.

When I ask a clear, specific question, I do not take kindly to asking it more than once. Once should be enough. Once should produce a complete and satisfactory response. I don't know why so many people on Beliefnet take it upon themselves to frustrate me.

OK, here it is, from Youngs literal translation:

¹⁹ `Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these things;

²⁰ the secret of the seven stars that thou hast seen upon my right hand, and the seven golden lamp-stands: the seven stars are messengers of the seven assemblies, and the seven lamp-stands that thou hast seen are seven assemblies.

Well, shucks, that doesn't say anything about vectors and drawing lines.

No, it means the churches that existed. It says nothing about stars or a guide. It plainly says what they are.

It says the stars are messengers and the lampstands are the assemblies.

 Therefore, all seven churches in Asia were founded over 50 years before John of Patmos wrote Revelation in 95 CE.

TPaine