| 1 year ago :: Apr 16, 2012 - 9:31PM #21 | |
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What it comes down to is someone who thinks she knows everything about her version of god, (Which since she invented it, she does.)but only her invented version. And also thinks she knows everything about everyone. Which she does not.
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato.. "A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 17, 2012 - 2:22AM #22 | |
The notion of possessing 'infallible knowledge' often goes hand-in-hand with the passionate belief that one is in contact with a divine attachment figure. |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 17, 2012 - 1:59PM #23 | |
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Hi Nancy, I'm glad you want to talk about the first vision, but it is translated wrong in most English Bibles The original Greek says the goldem lampstands are seven Churches, not the seven Churches. They are the part of the vision that takes place after this. They are the 7 Churches established by the first Christian kingdom (i.e., the first horseman), namely the 6 Orthodox Churches plus the Roman Church. When connected on a map, they form the outline of a sharp two-edged sword. The 7 Asian Churches are called stars and messengers. When connected on a map in the order given, they form the outline of a dove, the symbol of the Holy Spirit (which Jesus promised to send to show us all things). They form a starguide with 21 vectors that point to all the good things foretold. I have been studying the Revelation for 50+ years. |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 17, 2012 - 4:36PM #24 | |
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WARNING:Readers be advised, Biblical Exposure, Spiritual Nudity. For Spiritually Mature Audiences: Interpreter, that is an interesting mapping layout of the churches, I'm not that familiar with it, and I will look into it; although, what I do know, is that many of the churches in the Middle East, Europe and Asia, have the same numerical measurements as the Temple of Solomon. In the Apocalyse "AKA Revelation" the language of the Book is Greek; it's thoughts and idioms are Hebrew, linking it with the Old Testament=OT, showing it's great purpose is to declare God's final dealing with God's enemies and His People, Israel being the scattered from the dispersions, in many lands around the world, and who think they are gentiles and are not, but are what some call the "Lost Tribes of Israel." Not that God lost anyone, but they lost who they were, because of traditions of men.
In Revelation, they are 285 quotes from the OT,and most definitely tying it to the OT and Israel. The Churches: Revelation 2 summarized.... That which is written unto the angel of the Church of Ephesus......God says good things concerning this one church, yet, God says, "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left the first love." The first church and/or church system, mentioned has failed, by leaving it's first love, which would be Almighty God......most likely went into traditions of men. Repentence is called for. That which is written unto the angel of the Church of Smyrna, God know thy works and tribulations and poverty (but thou art rich) And I know the blasphemy of them that say they are of King David's house, and are not, but are of the assembly of Satan. This Church, Almighty God sees favor with, Smyrna, for what they teach and their loyality to God. That which is written to the angel of the church of Pergamos.....You hold fast My name and has not denied My faith........although this church has an emblem which was the serpent, I know thy works , even where Satan's seat is; this had Babylonian tyes, and also identified with the worship of Apollo. God says: But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit fornication,and they hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. You will find that with all the Churches, God finds good in them, but in five God has something gravely against them, unless they repent and turn back to God; or the sword of the LORD's Mouth will fight against them, that two-edge sword which cuts through lies both ways, then God will expose them for their lies, faults, and betrayal. That which is written unto the angel of the church of Thyatira.....saith the Son of God...I know thy works, and charity, service, faith and thy patience......not withstanding, I have a few things against thee because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce My servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols. This patroness of Baal-worship will have her sinister type in the future, if not already established. Yet, for the good that these churches have, they must maintain the good, and repent for all their evil ways: And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him I give power over the nations. Revelation chapter 2 ends with: He that hath an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. The Spirit of Almighty God. We have touched on what the Lord feels about these four churches or church systems, only one church, so far God sees favor with, the other four have a bit of repenting and changing of ways to do, or be punished more severely. This is to show you, that judgment begins at the PULPIT! Those who God gives much, He expects much! Their crimes are more severely punished, because of Who they represent! Crimes of the Church, no matter who they are, are never to be just swept under the rug!
Will continue more later! In Christ, Nancy
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 17, 2012 - 5:04PM #25 | |
What do you think the consequences of your preaching will be? You might very well be more severly punished you know? Are you digging your own grave deeper? Go figure? |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 17, 2012 - 5:43PM #26 | |
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In the year 3535
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 17, 2012 - 6:08PM #27 | |
It's interesting how many religious fanatics completely lack the concept of moral obligation. In fact, this lack - a kind of moral idiocy - seems to be universal among the fanatics on Beliefnet. |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 18, 2012 - 4:45PM #28 | |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 18, 2012 - 5:17PM #29 | |
NjoyREPLY>>>>Ken, did I leave off with a cliff-hanger? Yes, I did, sorry about that, but I had some pressing matters to attend. So far we have one church or church system, which is Smyrna, the Biblical reference is Revelation 2:8-9. They teach who is working the strings at this hour, I can go no futher into it. Unto the angel of the church of Sardis write; These things saith He That hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die; for I have not found thy works perfect before God. A name and company, not suited for this dispensation of grace, for Christ's people now live "in Him". We who were dead are now alive in Christ. Become watchful, remaining with the texts, the Word of God. Hold fast and REPENT; Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white; for they are worthy. This is addressed to the church system, and not the members or those in the body Christ who remain faithful. Sardis was the ancient capitol of Lydia, and the remains of a vast temple to Cybele (the mother of the gods) still exist. Baal worship once again in association. Some real good; and some bad in this one also. And to the angel of the church of Philadelphia write; These things saith He That is Holy, He That is TRUE, He that hath the key of David, He That openeth, and no man shutteth, and no man openeth ( the keys of knowledge). I know thy works; behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it; for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My Word, and hast NOT DENIED My Name. Behold, I will make them of the assembly of Satan, which say they are of the House of David, and are NOT, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the Word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to TRY(=TEST)them that dwell upon the earth. Here we have church or church system Philadelphia, the 2nd church that God Almighty sees favor with, that same church will be kept from the hour of Temptation. You might ask: How will God keep this church Philadelphia from the hour of Temptation? Through knowledge of the Word of God, That warns them and all who read it, that Satan will come first, before Christ; as the spurious messiah, playing the role of Jesus Christ to the world. Along with that, Satan's angels also will pose to be ministers of light or ministers of Christ, this brings about the APOSTASY! Therefore the hour of Temptation has no effect on the church of Philadelphia, because they know who Satan is, and what his method of operation is! You think now Peace, Peace, Peace is pushed....it isn't anything compared to when Satan is here as the "Antichrist," meaning "Instead of Christ". For he will takeover by Peace and prosperity, worship him and you can have it all, is what he will claim, as he imposters Christ. Watch Jerusalem, this is the barameter of these times. And unto the angel of the church of Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and True Witness, the beginning of the creation God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold or hot ( in other words "lukewarm," passive, doesn't stand for anything) I would thou wert cold or hot. So because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of My mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing;" and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind and naked; This church or church system thinks it is so much; yet, in God's eyes they are nothing...As many as I love (God speaking), I rebuke and chasten(=punish), be zealous therefore, and REPENT. For each description, the church or church system can be realized. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. This finishes God's feelings towards the churches, they either REPENT and get into shape, and follow in the ways of Smyrna and Philadelphia, or be spued out of God's mouth, and be cut to sunder for their lies, and deception. Shape up or ship out! Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright and morning Star. Ask yourself this: What is it, that Smyrna and Philadelphia teach, that the other churches do not? Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9. In Christ, Nancy
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 18, 2012 - 5:19PM #30 | |
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