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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 7:33PM #151
TPaine
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:


The 24 countries you think of are not run by the Christian Churches. They are secular states that happen to have Christian citizens. The only Christian theocracy in the world is Vatican City which takes up a total of 110 acres and has a population of 832 people. Also, John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory and it should be read as such.


There is no seperation of Church and State in God's eyes. if the Cristians are in the majority, they control thier state.



God doesn't get involved in politics. If he did George W. Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Hoover, Coolidge, Harrison, or Buchanan would not have been elected. In the U.S. there is no religious test for office. We have often elected non-Christians to office. Our first 6 Presidents were not Christians, nor were Fillmore, Pierce, Lincoln, Johnson, Grant, Hayes, or Taft. The Constitution expressly prohibits a religion to control the government.


Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The Revelation is an accurate prophecy made by a time-traveling God. We are now expiencing the 7 last plagues.



And your proof for that is? Many early Christians didn't think Revelation belonged in the Bible. They preferred the Shepherd of Hermas. If Augustine hadn't come up with the story that John of Patmos was John, Son of Zebedee (he wasn't) Revelation would have been voted down at the Synod of Hippo that Canonized the New Testament.

"It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves." -- Thomas Paine: Dissertations on First Principles of Government (July 7, 1795)
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 9:50PM #152
Whisper01
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:


We are now expiencing the 7 last plagues.




Darn plagues, I was wondering why my sail boat tipped over today, darn plagues!


Speaking of plauges, which one is "and the Lord sent many a "interpreter" unto the blogs of the time and much time and braincells would be lost"? For we are in that plague I'm just sure.


Go figure?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 7:49AM #153
G.flower
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I really think that theinterpreter thinks that Yahweh is a Time Lord.

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 9:25AM #154
theinterpreter
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 7:33PM, TPaine wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:


The 24 countries you think of are not run by the Christian Churches. They are secular states that happen to have Christian citizens. The only Christian theocracy in the world is Vatican City which takes up a total of 110 acres and has a population of 832 people. Also, John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory and it should be read as such.


There is no seperation of Church and State in God's eyes. if the Cristians are in the majority, they control thier state.



God doesn't get involved in politics. If he did George W. Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Hoover, Coolidge, Harrison, or Buchanan would not have been elected.


Why is that?


In the U.S. there is no religious test for office. We have often elected non-Christians to office. Our first 6 Presidents were not Christians, nor were Fillmore, Pierce, Lincoln, Johnson, Grant, Hayes, or Taft. The Constitution expressly prohibits a religion to control the government.


But there is a religous test for office. To get elected President you have to be a Christians. All US presidents have been Christians.


Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The Revelation is an accurate prophecy made by a time-traveling God. We are now expiencing the 7 last plagues.



And your proof for that is? Many early Christians didn't think Revelation belonged in the Bible. They preferred the Shepherd of Hermas. If Augustine hadn't come up with the story that John of Patmos was John, Son of Zebedee (he wasn't) Revelation would have been voted down at the Synod of Hippo that Canonized the New Testament.



The proof is the plagues of skin cancer, red tides, poluted fresh water, global warming, new diseases, and a dried up Euphrates.  John of Patmos was John the disciple. because Jesus said John would live to see Him return.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 12:59PM #155
TPaine
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Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:25AM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 7:33PM, TPaine wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:


God doesn't get involved in politics. If he did George W. Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Hoover, Coolidge, Harding, or Buchanan would not have been elected.


Why is that?


Because they were corrupt either (Nixon, Harding), criminal (Bush), or incompetent (the others).



Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:



Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:


In the U.S. there is no religious test for office. We have often elected non-Christians to office. Our first 6 Presidents were not Christians, nor were Fillmore, Pierce, Lincoln, Johnson, Grant, Hayes, or Taft. The Constitution expressly prohibits a religion to control the government.


But there is a religous test for office. To get elected President you have to be a Christians. All US presidents have been Christians.



Then how did the non-Christian Presidents I listed above get elected? The United States Constitution, Article VI, Paragraph 3 states

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. emphasis added




Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:


[quote author=33924416 post=519127783]The Revelation is an accurate prophecy made by a time-traveling God. We are now expiencing the 7 last plagues.



And your proof for that is? Many early Christians didn't think Revelation belonged in the Bible. They preferred the Shepherd of Hermas. If Augustine hadn't come up with the story that John of Patmos was John, Son of Zebedee (he wasn't) Revelation would have been voted down at the Synod of Hippo that Canonized the New Testament.


The proof is the plagues of skin cancer, red tides, poluted fresh water, global warming, new diseases, and a dried up Euphrates.  John of Patmos was John the disciple. because Jesus said John would live to see Him return.[/quote]
What you call proof is actually opinion. Proof requires peer-reviewed evidence that you don't have or refuse to present. Skin cancer is not a plague, red tides have existed for thousands of years, fresh water is less polluted now than it ever has been, global warming has been aggravated by pollution caused by irresponsible corporations, but it is also cyclical. The earth has gone through warming and cooling cycles for about 4.5 billion years. New diseases have come about throughout history. Today we can cure many that created pandemics in the past. The Euphrates has never dried up. It has changed course as has the Mississippi, but has never run dry. John of Patmos was not the disciple John, Son of Zebedee. John, like the Johns that wrote the fourth gospel and the three epistles, was a resident of the Johannine community in Asia Minor (present day Turkey).

"It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves." -- Thomas Paine: Dissertations on First Principles of Government (July 7, 1795)
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 1:24PM #156
mainecaptain
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Apr 29, 2012 -- 7:49AM, G.flower wrote:


I really think that theinterpreter thinks that Yahweh is a Time Lord.




Certainly not a mainstream idea of Yahweh. Really bizarre.


Almost like he has been turned into a science fiction character from a book or movie

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 5:04PM #157
G.flower
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Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:25AM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 7:33PM, TPaine wrote:


Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:


The 24 countries you think of are not run by the Christian Churches. They are secular states that happen to have Christian citizens. The only Christian theocracy in the world is Vatican City which takes up a total of 110 acres and has a population of 832 people. Also, John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory and it should be read as such.


There is no seperation of Church and State in God's eyes. if the Cristians are in the majority, they control thier state.



God doesn't get involved in politics. If he did George W. Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Hoover, Coolidge, Harrison, or Buchanan would not have been elected.


Why is that?


In the U.S. there is no religious test for office. We have often elected non-Christians to office. Our first 6 Presidents were not Christians, nor were Fillmore, Pierce, Lincoln, Johnson, Grant, Hayes, or Taft. The Constitution expressly prohibits a religion to control the government.


But there is a religous test for office. To get elected President you have to be a Christians. All US presidents have been Christians.


Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The Revelation is an accurate prophecy made by a time-traveling God. We are now expiencing the 7 last plagues.



And your proof for that is? Many early Christians didn't think Revelation belonged in the Bible. They preferred the Shepherd of Hermas. If Augustine hadn't come up with the story that John of Patmos was John, Son of Zebedee (he wasn't) Revelation would have been voted down at the Synod of Hippo that Canonized the New Testament.



The proof is the plagues of skin cancer, red tides, poluted fresh water, global warming, new diseases, and a dried up Euphrates.  John of Patmos was John the disciple. because Jesus said John would live to see Him return.




Plagues? What about all the plagues that killed so many in Europe and the one in the US nearly 100 years ago? This is the problem with your faulty logic. Those of us who actually study history think your idea of disasters and historical disasters aren't even close.


John isn't John the disciple and will never be.


The Eurpharates has never dried up.


Jesus - poor thing - never wrote one word of the bible.


So what are we left with? Nothing you say is going to happen because nothing you say happened, happened.


Moderated by Adelphe on May 01, 2012 - 05:55AM
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 5:06PM #158
G.flower
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Apr 29, 2012 -- 1:24PM, mainecaptain wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 7:49AM, G.flower wrote:


I really think that theinterpreter thinks that Yahweh is a Time Lord.




Certainly not a mainstream idea of Yahweh. Really bizarre.


Almost like he has been turned into a science fiction character from a book or movie




MC, have some virtual cake! And tea. Smile Cheers! I wish we could have a picnic. 


I just boggles my mind that there are some people who get all wrapped up in the strange world inside their head when there is such a pretty world outside.

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 5:31PM #159
mainecaptain
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Thank you so much. I love virtual tea and cakeSmile



And you are right Gilly.


I myself went out into the lovely world today, and dug holes in the garden. A neighbour gave me a bunch of spring bulbs he was thinning out.  So next Spring I shall more Tulips and some Hyacinths as well.

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2012 - 8:00PM #160
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Doubtless theinterpreters God would, if He existed, be destroying something as he seems to be into to that kind of thing. Christianity arose from a death cult and its never strayed far from remaining so.

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