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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 7:58PM #141
Ken
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 6:08PM, theinterpreter wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 6:02PM, Ken wrote:

Apr 26, 2012 -- 5:54PM, theinterpreter wrote:

Maybe God is a spirit, and He needs flesh and blood to carry out His wishes.


Then he's not omnipotent, is he?


Maybe or maybe not. What if He is simply obeying the Star Trek directive?


Why would he? The Star Trek directive is just a piece of crap from a trashy sci-fi program.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 8:55PM #142
wohali
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"But the earth does require a belief system and would be doomed without it."


The Earth has spun along merrily for 4 billion plus years without one.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 9:44PM #143
mainecaptain
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 7:24PM, theinterpreter wrote:


 But the earth does require a belief system and would be doomed without it. 





No it does not.


It would do quite well with out stupid human beings and destructive religions.


Plenty of irrevocable damage has been done because of religious beliefs systems.


The planet would do fine without us and with out religions

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 10:12PM #144
G.flower
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Very true. Earth got along very well before humans and, if humans become extinct or evolve into something that is no longer human, will continue without us.

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2012 - 10:04AM #145
Whisper01
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 6:08PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Maybe or maybe not. What if He is simply obeying the Star Trek directive?





Ok, on the note that God "may" not be omnipotent, then he can loose. God, can loose, he can be beaten. Satan (Nicky) can win! So, it's a contest between opponents and either side can win. Even if God wins this round he can still loose it all next round. 


Hmmmmm... God's are just not what they used to be.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2012 - 10:18AM #146
TPaine
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 7:09PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 6:19PM, TPaine wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 5:27PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Ken wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 5:25PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, G.flower wrote:

No kidding! Like - why didn't Yahweh give them superior weapons if that was needed? Isn't he supposed to be the top god? Plus why doesn't he create all the fighting machines he needed? I like a good story but this isn't logical.


God has given His followers superior weapons.


God never gives anybody anything. People have to invent superior weapons all by themselves and manufacture them at their own expense.


OK, God has blessed His followers with the money and expertise to do that. Now it's up to us to defeat Satan's forces. The end is near.



I can't think of one nation in which the Christians have the weapons needed to defeat anyone. Governments have those weapons, but governments don't answer to those Christians who want to start the battle of Armageddon.


I can think of 24 Christian nations that have the weapons necessary to defeat the Satanic beast of the Revelation.  Christian governments don't start the Battle of Ar Mageddon, demon-poessesed "kings" of the east do.



The 24 countries you think of are not run by the Christian Churches. They are secular states that happen to have Christian citizens. The only Christian theocracy in the world is Vatican City which takes up a total of 110 acres and has a population of 832 people. Also, John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory and it should be read as such.

"It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves." -- Thomas Paine: Dissertations on First Principles of Government (July 7, 1795)
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2012 - 10:35AM #147
TPaine
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 7:24PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 7:07PM, mainecaptain wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 5:03PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Christians are the salt (or preservative) of the earth. We are not just the "saved," our destiny is to save the earth. We are God's policemen.



Hardly that, Christians do not preserve anything. So no, Christians are not the salt of the earth. Earth does not require a particular belief system, and would do infinitely better without people on it.


Christians tend to not protect the earth, because they think their god is going to destroy it soon.


No omnipotent god requires people to do anything.


But the earth does require a belief system and would be doomed without it.



There are many belief systems present on the Earth. What is important is the central message of of those systems. If they are based on the Ethic of Reciprocity that is all that is needed. It doesn't matter if they have God, Gods, Goddess, Goddesses, a combination of them or none of them. Whar matters is how we treat the environment, nature, and our fellow humans.

"It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves." -- Thomas Paine: Dissertations on First Principles of Government (July 7, 1795)
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2012 - 3:46PM #148
mainecaptain
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Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:35AM, TPaine wrote:



There are many belief systems present on the Earth. What is important is the central message of of those systems. If they are based on the Ethic of Reciprocity that is all that is needed. It doesn't matter if they have God, Gods, Goddess, Goddesses, a combination of them or none of them. Whar matters is how we treat the environment, nature, and our fellow humans.




Well stated. :)

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 4:56PM #149
theinterpreter
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Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 7:09PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 6:19PM, TPaine wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 5:27PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Ken wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 5:25PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 24, 2012 -- 7:19PM, G.flower wrote:

No kidding! Like - why didn't Yahweh give them superior weapons if that was needed? Isn't he supposed to be the top god? Plus why doesn't he create all the fighting machines he needed? I like a good story but this isn't logical.


God has given His followers superior weapons.


God never gives anybody anything. People have to invent superior weapons all by themselves and manufacture them at their own expense.


OK, God has blessed His followers with the money and expertise to do that. Now it's up to us to defeat Satan's forces. The end is near.



I can't think of one nation in which the Christians have the weapons needed to defeat anyone. Governments have those weapons, but governments don't answer to those Christians who want to start the battle of Armageddon.


I can think of 24 Christian nations that have the weapons necessary to defeat the Satanic beast of the Revelation.  Christian governments don't start the Battle of Ar Mageddon, demon-poessesed "kings" of the east do.



The 24 countries you think of are not run by the Christian Churches. They are secular states that happen to have Christian citizens. The only Christian theocracy in the world is Vatican City which takes up a total of 110 acres and has a population of 832 people. Also, John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory and it should be read as such.



There is no seperation of Church and State in God's eyes. if the Cristians are in the majority, they control thier state.


The Revelation is an accurate prophecy made by a time-traveling God. We are now expiencing the 7 last plagues.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2012 - 5:38PM #150
Ken
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Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:


Apr 27, 2012 -- 10:18AM, TPaine wrote:

The 24 countries you think of are not run by the Christian Churches. They are secular states that happen to have Christian citizens. The only Christian theocracy in the world is Vatican City which takes up a total of 110 acres and has a population of 832 people. Also, John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory and it should be read as such.



There is no seperation of Church and State in God's eyes.


Too bad. We decide to separate Church and State. God's opinion is of no consequence.


Apr 28, 2012 -- 4:56PM, theinterpreter wrote:

The Revelation is an accurate prophecy made by a time-traveling God. We are now expiencing the 7 last plagues.


Time travel is impossible.

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