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3 years ago  ::  Dec 14, 2011 - 11:16AM #221
allthegoodnamesweretaken
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Dec 14, 2011 -- 9:28AM, dio wrote:


great thought are you saying reality is all in our head?





I'm not sure you understand the phrase "subjective". 

Yesterday, in America, 100 million gun owners did nothing.
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2012 - 10:54AM #222
river8101
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Hi All,


I think the "Ultimate Truth" is that which can be proven to be true.  Science can do that in many instances.  There are some things that cannot be proven, but science and physicians are working on it.  What we can't prove is why religions kill each other and have for centuries.  The only proof we have is that they do it to retain power.

“Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject.”
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2012 - 4:11PM #223
Sacrificialgoddess
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Jan 4, 2012 -- 10:54AM, river8101 wrote:


Hi All,


I think the "Ultimate Truth" is that which can be proven to be true.  Science can do that in many instances.  There are some things that cannot be proven, but science and physicians are working on it.  What we can't prove is why religions kill each other and have for centuries.  The only proof we have is that they do it to retain power.




Once again, the Douglas Adams quote comes to mind:



There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2012 - 9:03PM #224
williejhonlo
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Jan 4, 2012 -- 4:11PM, Sacrificialgoddess wrote:


Jan 4, 2012 -- 10:54AM, river8101 wrote:


Hi All,


I think the "Ultimate Truth" is that which can be proven to be true.  Science can do that in many instances.  There are some things that cannot be proven, but science and physicians are working on it.  What we can't prove is why religions kill each other and have for centuries.  The only proof we have is that they do it to retain power.




Once again, the Douglas Adams quote comes to mind:



There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.There is another theory which states that this has already happened.



It appears to be here to be lifes little playground.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2012 - 9:23PM #225
williejhonlo
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Jan 4, 2012 -- 10:54AM, river8101 wrote:


Hi All,


I think the "Ultimate Truth" is that which can be proven to be true.  Science can do that in many instances.  There are some things that cannot be proven, but science and physicians are working on it.  What we can't prove is why religions kill each other and have for centuries.  The only proof we have is that they do it to retain power.



You could say the ultimate truth is that which is compelling you to look for the ultimate truth.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2012 - 11:53AM #226
allthegoodnamesweretaken
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Jan 5, 2012 -- 9:23PM, williejhonlo wrote:


You could say the ultimate truth is that which is compelling you to look for the ultimate truth.






What does that feel like?

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2012 - 12:20PM #227
mainecaptain
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The thing is, I am not compelled to look for any ultimate truth. I really have no interest in any ultimate truth

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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3 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2012 - 2:01PM #228
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Jan 6, 2012 -- 11:53AM, allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:


Jan 5, 2012 -- 9:23PM, williejhonlo wrote:


You could say the ultimate truth is that which is compelling you to look for the ultimate truth.






What does that feel like?



It feels like wonderment.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2012 - 2:17PM #229
williejhonlo
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The ultimate truth could be what we are living in.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 06, 2012 - 3:47PM #230
allthegoodnamesweretaken
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Jan 6, 2012 -- 2:01PM, williejhonlo wrote:


It feels like wonderment.






Well that explains the slack jawed vacant stares I see. 

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