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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 1:50PM #1
Scottishpresbyterianmanpca4life
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 Hi, Knoxie here and I'm a Presbyterian of the Presbyterian Church in America. Even though I'm an evangelical Christian, I don't know if I stand with the pre-tribulation rapture or not. It doesn't seem like it would happen that way, but I know if it is true only God knows. I leave a lot of that stuff open to God who can only judge. I am a Calvinist and I know that God is amazing, that's all I will write for now.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 1:58PM #2
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Just so you know, this is a multi faith board.  Here you're going to find many people of many faiths, and people who are very strong in their faiths, and aren't afraid to say so, and aren't afraid to disagree.


 


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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 6:32PM #3
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Ragnarök!!!!!  :)
Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 6:46PM #4
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At least when it comes I won't have to listen to these Christians blather on. 

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 8:00PM #5
TPaine
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Nov 2, 2010 -- 1:50PM, Scottishpresbyterianmanpca4life wrote:


 Hi, Knoxie here and I'm a Presbyterian of the Presbyterian Church in America. Even though I'm an evangelical Christian, I don't know if I stand with the pre-tribulation rapture or not. It doesn't seem like it would happen that way, but I know if it is true only God knows. I leave a lot of that stuff open to God who can only judge. I am a Calvinist and I know that God is amazing, that's all I will write for now.



If you are a true Calvinist, you would believe in the T.U.L.I.P. concept as decided by the Synod of Dort in 1619.

Total Depravity:
Sin has affected all parts of man. The heart, emotions, will, mind, and body are all affected by sin. We are completely sinful. We are not as sinful as we could be, but we are completely affected by sin.

The doctrine of Total Depravity is derived from scriptures that reveal human character: Man’s heart is evil (Mark 7:21-23) and sick (Jer. 17:9). Man is a slave of sin (Rom. 6:20). He does not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12). He cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14). He is at enmity with God (Eph. 2:15). And, is by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3). The Calvinist asks the question, "In light of the scriptures that declare man’s true nature as being utterly lost and incapable, how is it possible for anyone to choose or desire God?" The answer is, "He cannot. Therefore God must predestine."

Calvinism also maintains that because of our fallen nature we are born again not by our own will but God’s will (John 1:12-13); God grants that we believe (Phil. 1:29); faith is the work of God (John 6:28-29); God appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48); and God predestines (Eph. 1:1-11; Rom. 8:29; 9:9-23).

Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will (Eph. 1:4-8; Rom. 9:11) without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not (Rom. 9:15, 21).

Limited Atonement:
Jesus died only for the elect. Though Jesus’ sacrifice was sufficient for all, it was not efficacious for all. Jesus only bore the sins of the elect. Support for this position is drawn from such scriptures as Matt. 26:28 where Jesus died for ‘many'; John 10:11, 15 which say that Jesus died for the sheep (not the goats, per Matt. 25:32-33); John 17:9 where Jesus in prayer interceded for the ones given Him, not those of the entire world; Acts 20:28 and Eph. 5:25-27 which state that the Church was purchased by Christ, not all people; and Isaiah 53:12 which is a prophecy of Jesus’ crucifixion where he would bore the sins of many (not all).

Irresistible Grace:
When God calls his elect into salvation, they cannot resist. God offers to all people the gospel message. This is called the external call. But to the elect, God extends an internal call and it cannot be resisted. This call is by the Holy Spirit who works in the hearts and minds of the elect to bring them to repentance and regeneration whereby they willingly and freely come to God. Some of the verses used in support of this teaching are Romans 9:16 where it says that "it is not of him who wills nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy"; Philippians 2:12-13 where God is said to be the one working salvation in the individual; John 6:28-29 where faith is declared to be the work of God; Acts 13:48 where God appoints people to believe; and John 1:12-13 where being born again is not by man’s will, but by God’s.

Perseverance of the Saints:
You cannot lose your salvation. Because the Father has elected, the Son has redeemed, and the Holy Spirit has applied salvation, those thus saved are eternally secure. They are eternally secure in Christ. Some of the verses for this position are John 10:27-28 where Jesus said His sheep will never perish; John 6:47 where salvation is described as everlasting life; Romans 8:1 where it is said we have passed out of judgment; 1 Corinthians 10:13 where God promises to never let us be tempted beyond what we can handle; and Phil. 1:6 where God is the one being faithful to perfect us until the day of Jesus’ return.


Calvinism stresses the sovereignty or rule of God in all things and that man has no say in his salvation. Since salvation is not based on faith, man does not know if he has been chosen or not until death. Therefore it would be futile for you to concern yourself with the possibility of a rapture.


As a non-Christian I do not believe in the concept of "original sin" as I believe that it would mean that God set up man to fail before creating him. I don't think a Deity of Deities would do such a thing unless that Deity or Deities were malevolent in nature.

"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am a friend of its happiness: When these things can be said, then may the country boast its constitution and its government." -- Thomas Paine: The Rights Of Man (1791)
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 8:15PM #6
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Nov 2, 2010 -- 8:00PM, TPaine wrote:


Nov 2, 2010 -- 1:50PM, Scottishpresbyterianmanpca4life wrote:


 Hi, Knoxie here and I'm a Presbyterian of the Presbyterian Church in America. Even though I'm an evangelical Christian, I don't know if I stand with the pre-tribulation rapture or not. It doesn't seem like it would happen that way, but I know if it is true only God knows. I leave a lot of that stuff open to God who can only judge. I am a Calvinist and I know that God is amazing, that's all I will write for now.



If you are a true Calvinist, you would believe in the T.U.L.I.P. concept as decided by the Synod of Dort in 1619.



 


They haven't revised that stuff since 1619?

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 8:33PM #7
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Nov 2, 2010 -- 6:32PM, Sacrificialgoddess wrote:

Ragnarök!!!!!  :)




Eschatology!

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 8:40PM #8
Sacrificialgoddess
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Nov 2, 2010 -- 8:33PM, gorm-sionnach wrote:


Nov 2, 2010 -- 6:32PM, Sacrificialgoddess wrote:

Ragnarök!!!!!  :)




Eschatology!





I will drink to that!


 

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

-- Tori Amos
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 8:46PM #9
gorm-sionnach
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While we're waxing poetic about the end of the world...


Forth! Down fear of darkness!
Arise! Arise, Riders of Theoden!
Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered!
A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now! Ride now! Ride!
Ride for ruin and the world's ending!
Death!
- King Theoden, battle of the Pelennor Fields

Truth in our hearts, Strength in our arms, Fulfillment in our tongues.
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3 years ago  ::  Nov 02, 2010 - 11:13PM #10
TPaine
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Nov 2, 2010 -- 8:46PM, gorm-sionnach wrote:


While we're waxing poetic about the end of the world...


Forth! Down fear of darkness!
Arise! Arise, Riders of Theoden!
Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered!
A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now! Ride now! Ride!
Ride for ruin and the world's ending!
Death!
- King Theoden, battle of the Pelennor Fields



Then again there is the Zoroastrian eschatology which is the oldest in recorded history. It was a fully developed concept by 500 BCE.


After death the soul goes to the intermediate world (Hamistaken) which corresponds to Purgatory of Christianity. The soul of the righteous meets a beautiful maiden, the embodiment of his pure thoughts, pure words and pure actions. He crosses safely the bridge of the Judge (Chinavat bridge) which is the seat of judgement and reaches heaven. The bridge offers an easy passage for the righteous. The soul passes to ‘Amesh-spentas’ the golden seat of Ahuramazda.

The soul of the wicked meets a hideous hag, the embodiment of his evil thoughts, evil words and evil actions. He fails to cross the bridge and falls into fire or Hell. The bridge narrows to the size of the edge of a sword for the wicked.



www.experiencefestival.com/a/Zoroastrian...

"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am a friend of its happiness: When these things can be said, then may the country boast its constitution and its government." -- Thomas Paine: The Rights Of Man (1791)
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