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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 7:01PM #1
Weepingangelofthetrees
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RICHMOND, Va. (AP)  — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim  that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert  at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to  clean them up. (Continues @USA Today)


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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 7:50PM #2
mountain_man
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Those officers need to be courts-martialed and given a dishonorable discharge. It's time we drummed the religious extremists out of the military. They have no place there.

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 8:05PM #3
TPaine
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Aug 22, 2010 -- 7:01PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:


RICHMOND, Va. (AP)  — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim  that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert  at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to  clean them up. (Continues @USA Today)



Why does this not surprise me? The Christian Taliban has been attepting to turn our secular republic into a theocracy for many years and their targeting the military is nothing new. One only needs to remember the proselytizing scandal at the Air Force Academy in 2005.


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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 8:05PM #4
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I spoke with Mikey Weinstein about 2 years about about the "Team Jesus QB" speeches in the USAFA sports scandal.  I agree with Mountainman, this kind of nonsense should be snuffed out.  UCMJ action, and fast. 

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 9:36PM #5
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According to the article: "The group's president, Mikey Weinstein, claims Christian-themed events are 'ubiquitous' throughout the military, and he credited the soldiers for stepping forward."


And people don't like it when I jokingly refer to the military as a Christian cult? Perhaps it actually is a Christian cult....

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 9:39PM #6
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Aug 22, 2010 -- 8:05PM, TPaine wrote:


Aug 22, 2010 -- 7:01PM, Weepingangelofthetrees wrote:


RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — The Army said Friday it was investigating a claim that dozens of soldiers who refused to attend a Christian band's concert at a Virginia military base were banished to their barracks and told to clean them up. (Continues @USA Today)



Why does this not surprise me? The Christian Taliban has been attepting to turn our secular republic into a theocracy for many years and their targeting the military is nothing new. One only needs to remember the proselytizing scandal at the Air Force Academy in 2005.


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The evangelical "mess" at the Air Force Academy immediately came to mind when I read the heading to this thread. Thanks for the update.




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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 9:43PM #7
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I could write several paragraphs about how many regulations, customs and traditions this violated if it is true as reported. If it is, somebody needs to be relieved of command. I never ran into anything like this once in my 30 years service. My wife never did in her 28 years. Our son has not in his nearly 7 years of service. I've heard about things like this, but never witnessed them. It is inexcusable if true. The problem is not that various religions get together and support each other, or themselves, or preach and all that, etc. That's just fine. The problem is that in this case there seems to have been coercion, and worse, coercion from up the chain of command. That just cannot be allowed to happen.


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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 10:35PM #8
Ebon
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Aug 22, 2010 -- 9:43PM, rangerken wrote:

I could write several paragraphs about how many regulations, customs and traditions this violated if it is true as reported. If it is, somebody needs to be relieved of command. I never ran into anything like this once in my 30 years service. My wife never did in her 28 years. Our son has not in his nearly 7 years of service. I've heard about things like this, but never witnessed them. It is inexcusable if true. The problem is not that various religions get together and support each other, or themselves, or preach and all that, etc. That's just fine. The problem is that in this case there seems to have been coercion, and worse, coercion from up the chain of command. That just cannot be allowed to happen.



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I've been hearing occasional reports like this for a few years now. Don't misunderstand, it's still very much a minority thing but it does seem to happen on occasion.


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4 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2010 - 10:46PM #9
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Aug 22, 2010 -- 9:43PM, rangerken wrote:

... The problem is that in this case there seems to have been coercion, and worse, coercion from up the chain of command. That just cannot be allowed to happen.



This IS happening. There is a recent history, including the Air Force Academy scandal, of christian extremists using their rank to force soldiers to go along with christian indoctrination. This is an unpardonable violation of the very Constitution they swore to uphold and protect from all enemies.


I never experienced such coercion when I was in from 1973 to 1983. In fact, a Christian chaplain made me a set of dog tags that said "Atheist" on them. He was upset that I had to choose from one of several christian sects or "Hebrew."

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 23, 2010 - 1:01AM #10
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This is what they're going to start posting in every building if they keep getting their way:


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