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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2010 - 12:49PM #1
rocketjsquirell
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I am not sure that this thread belongs here, but I can not figure out anywhere else it would fit.


The questions posed by this article (at least as I read it) are:


Why is it possible (and in fact usual) for Jews to support Muslims but so difficult for Muslims to support Jews?


Is the Arab/Israeli conflict the cause of Muslim inability to oppose anti-Semitism (or worse is it the reason from Arab anti-Semitism) or is there something else going on?   


(The author of the article is a Palestinian Arab and founder - at least I think he is - of an organization called Yalla Peace which can be found at yallapeace.com. He appears to be one of the few Palestinian moderates around the web)  


American Jews often defend Muslims






Recent example involves the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ where the leading Jewish defenders were passionate in their defense.


When was the last time leading Arabs or Muslims came to the defense of Jews? I  say that because a phenomenal thing happened in America last week. American Jews  were divided, but still led the national debate on whether or not a mosque  should be allowed within blocks of “Ground Zero,” the spot where the Twin Towers  collapsed under a terrorist assault on September 11, 2001.


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Among those voices was one of the  country’s leading Jewish politicians, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose  eyes welled up with emotion while he declared that Muslims have every right to  build a mosque, just as Christians and Jews could build a church or synagogue  nearby.

Bloomberg was consistent in May when he declared: “I think it’s  fair to say if somebody was going to try to build a church or synagogue on that  piece of property, nobody would be yelling and screaming.

The fact of the  matter is that Muslims have a right to do it, too.”

Bloomberg remained  principled on August 3, when he insisted: “Let us not forget that Muslims were  among those murdered on 9/11, and that our Muslim neighbors mourned with us as  New Yorkers and as Americans. We would betray our values – and play into our  enemies’ hands – if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In  fact, to cave in to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the  terrorists – and we should not stand for that.”


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The Arab-Israeli conflict is a tragedy that keeps  both sides on “politically correct” guard. But it doesn’t mean that  Arabs and  Muslims can’t be principled, moral or ethical in defending what is right  when it  comes to anti-Semitism.

Arabs and Muslims should not allow themselves to  be consumed by what we think is wrong. Sometimes we need to step outside  of the  conflict and remind others and ourselves that we also believe in what is   right.


www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article...


or


www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=184352



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3 years ago  ::  Aug 11, 2010 - 7:17PM #2
Dostojevsky
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Rocket, you are asking too much.


Firstly congratulate mr. Bloomberg. His voice is heard because he the Mayor on New York and very rich man so people listen. Also from appearance he is a moderate Jew, but after all this let's see.


"Why is it possible (and in fact usual) for Jews to support Muslims but so difficult for Muslims to support Jews?
Is the Arab/Israeli conflict the cause of Muslim inability to oppose anti-Semitism (or worse is it the reason from Arab anti-Semitism) or is there something else going on?"


Jews are too clever to appear to oppose Muslims. Jews have managed to be in every pie all over the world and have 'voice'. Muslims do not have that; perhaps that is not what they were aiming for but they might change that eventually as they are desperately trying to be heard.


This anti-semitism has whiskers on its head. The mantra works. I think many other ethnic groups have a lot to learn from this. 'You criticise me and I will make it illegal and this will shut-you-up'. The problem is that one day it will boil over. People are born with freedom of thought. New generations are being born and they will wake up and wonder what's going on. But no worries, perhaps by that time we'll all be so zombified (some are there already) we will not know the difference between the left or the right. The spinners will make sure we are not confused, end up with mental breakdown because we think too much, and give us 'truth'. Injection form is the best - passes the brain barrier.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 12, 2010 - 1:32AM #3
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 27, 2010 - 9:44AM #4
Sacrificialgoddess
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And then you have the ADF who I thought were supposed to defend all people and religions againt defamation of character, but have dropped the ball big time in this one, simply, it seems, because the organization in question is Islamic.

Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 31, 2010 - 7:11PM #5
LeahOne
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ADF????    SacG - I'm guessing you mean ADL, and there are a lot of Jews who disagree with their stance on the Cordova Center.  I believe their actual objection is that they feel the Imam and/or some of the financial backers are less than desireable neighbors. 


Since the OTHER!!!  post was made under 'Hot Topics', I suppose it's not really possible to comment on its gratuitous anti-semitism and generally bigoted 'character'. 


*sigh!* Let me see if I can find us any actual facts about the ADL position, and then we can discuss the topic.


I'm not intterestedf, however, in 'discussing' much of anything with a poster who weeps huge crocodile tears over how David Irving has been treated, who has also written about my people having 'tentacles'......

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 29, 2010 - 5:49PM #6
river8101
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Your absolutely right Leah.  The only culture with tentacles on this planet is Islam.   And they use terrorists to spread all around.

“Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject.”
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2010 - 8:57AM #7
river8101
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They just caught a 19 year old Muslim boy who wanted to blow up a big Holiday celebration in Oregon, in which there were hundreds of parents and children in attendance.  The police were on to him for about a year, and replaced his bombs with something else that looked the same.  When he tried to use it, it didn't work, and he was arrested.  He was from Somalia.


"The newspaper quoted agents as saying Mohamud had been working on  finding a way to support a “violent jihad” since he was 15 and had made  contact with terrorists in Pakistan. He had become a U.S. citizen in the  meantime."  (more below)


www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/74537...


I do not support the location of the Cordova Center.  I believe it's an  "in your face" place to put it. 


The day after 9/11 many Muslims came over to the Jewish forum and accused us of blowing up the WTC.  In fact, many came over before it happened and were wretched anti-Semites, accusing us of all sorts of crazy things while they cursed our religion.  According to them there either was no Holocaust or if there was, we deserved it. Allah's will or something.   We were responsible for WW2, and it went on and on.  Also our religion was stupid and wrong.  Post after post like that.     After the proof came out about 9/11, they suddenly stopped coming. In fact some of the worst ones stopped posting on their own forum, but I read it sometimes.  Some of it was horrid.   I never posted on their forum.  But when they came to our forum with lies and hatred, I was defensive.  For this they posted a whole thread about ways to murder me. It's true.   When someone told me about it, I read it, and then reported it, and it was immediately taken off.  Not sure that would happen today.  That was in 2001 or 2, but most of those posters at the Jewish forum are not here now, have either left or hadn't joined B Net at that time.  I've been here since B Net  started, and I remember plenty of nasty insults about Jews from the Muslims that they brought to our forum, and on their own forums.  They were obsessed about hating Jews.  Now it's also Americans. 

“Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject.”
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2 years ago  ::  Dec 01, 2010 - 5:14AM #8
Bezant
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Nov 29, 2010 -- 5:49PM, river8101 wrote:


The only culture with tentacles on this planet is Islam.




The corporate world?

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2 years ago  ::  Dec 01, 2010 - 12:52PM #9
river8101
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Please.  There are different kinds of tentacles.   Some helpful, some not.   But, I don't see the corporate world spending all of their time making bombs, murdering women and cutting off the hands of children, or the noses and ears of women who disobey their husbands.  Not to mention murdering mothers in front of their children in soccer fields for some slight infraction of the rules between wife and husband.  I see crazy!  I see terror!  I see no regard for human life!

“Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject.”
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2 years ago  ::  Dec 01, 2010 - 1:19PM #10
allthegoodnamesweretaken
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Of course not.  How can you spend your hard earned money if you are dead?

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