Oct 3, 2011 -- 9:30AM, G.flower wrote:

good gods, he is still at it! Telling people that they "created" their religions and beliefs since they don't match up with his. His religion doesn't make a lick of sense. 

Ed. to add: ah, that's so much better! It is a good thread without him in it!

blind arrogance never appealing, never accurate either. You can not learn when you are that full of yourself. It is anti-spiritual IMO.

And I agree Gilly the thread is actually quite good otherwise,  ;)

G.flower,

I never wrote 'religions'. Please don't put words in my mouth. Otoh, creating and 'customizing' beliefs is a common thing nowadays, esp. within New Age.

I don't know what do you mean by 'his religion' so can't comment on its alleged 'lick of sense'.
Feel free to expand on it. Otherwise it's just an unfounded slander.


mc,

kindly stop labelling and go ahead refuting what I wrote.


all,

wishing you more energy, arguments and wisdom in future.


Hope this helps. Hare Krsna

Your servant, bh. Jan

www.vrindavan-dham.com
www.veda.harekrsna.cz

dvaitaM bandhAya mokSAt prAk prApte bodhe manISayA
bhaktyarthaM kalpitam dvaitaM advaitAd api sundaram

"Duality is bondage before moksa and wisdom after realization. The duality accepted for the   purpose of bhakti is sweeter than even non-duality." (from mangalacarana to Advaitasiddhi sara   sangraha by Madhusudana Sarasvati, former advaitin)

Oct 7, 2011 -- 8:47PM, G.flower wrote:

Oct 3, 2011 -- 3:37PM, allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:

Oct 3, 2011 -- 9:30AM, G.flower wrote:

good gods, he is still at it! Telling people that they "created" their religions and beliefs since they don't match up with his. His religion doesn't make a lick of sense. 

Ed. to add: ah, that's so much better! It is a good thread without him in it!

 

Yeah, I couldn't even muster the energy to read his whole post this time. 

I stopped reading his posts, too. Life is too short to waste on stuff that isn't even entertaining. :)

When it is both wrong and doesn't entertain, when the poster is seemingly incapable of learning, vomits all over the facts... is there any point of reading the posts? I don't think so. In the library we weed books that pass along false information. That is what I am doing here.

Life really is too short.  It's supposed to be a high of 85 or something here today, and sunny.  Odd for first week of oct.  I've got some stuff that I have to get done, and then it's outside for me. 

I do kind of feel sorry for some of the people.  We had a breif foray into it over on the CD board. I honestly like Davelaw and Howie, but their hands are pretty much tied by their monotheism on this one.  To make a philosophy that suits them, they have to use some explanation from their beliefs, or understandings of their beliefs, just as we do. 

Some people keep pushing it though.  When they demonstrate the refusal to even listen to a viewpoint not their own, it gets old pretty quick. 

I'm not sure he's capable, but I'd like JM8 to examine his point, try to understand the rest of our points, and ask himself if nothing else, what he was expecting here.

all

I agree with you about monotheism and what you said about acknowledging that there is more than one god isn't against their beliefs. I grew up in, I now suppose, liberal Presbyterrian churches where it was accepted that other gods existed, it is just we followed the one god. That made sense - how else to explain all the other gods followed for hundreds, thousands of years in other parts of the world to no detriment? Of course, our single god was better. :-) 

When you start believing that there is no possible way anyone's gods but yours exist, that is a red flag.

Oct 8, 2011 -- 2:25PM, mainecaptain wrote:

 

I agree it is a red flag.

I also find the cognitive dissonance fascinating. To the hard core fundy type montheist there is only one god. And yet I have heard this type say that Muslims do not worship "their"™ god. ?

I know what they say about Pagan gods, then we get into the created verses not created crap. Which annoys me to the point I will not post any more.

Even the best monotheist will do that, not realizing how insulting they are being.  I have no problem thinking your own god is best. Mine are too, for me. Just as my Mother was best for me, My companion animals are best for me.

But I would never tell someone their god(s) were created and mine was not, nor would I tell someone their god(s) are not real or not that they think they are are, especially if they have actually met them.

There is only ONE god for the Jewish people, There is One plus 1 plus 1, or whatever Christians have, For Christians. There is what ever the Hindu have, One major god and all its aspects for Hindu's.

But none of that, means there are not individual gods, (Many different individual gods), that are not aspects of other gods. It means perhaps some gods like to take on different persona's and some do not. But NOT all gods are personas of one  mega god from one pantheon.

Nor are gods,  not Christian in nature,  demons or created by the Christian god.

It is possible, probably and factual that it is the case.

My gods are my gods. (Not aspects of yours, not demons, not created by yours) Yours are yours (generic yours). You do not have to belittle me or mine to honour yours.  And we can all get along fine

 

You go, MC!! Very well put. You brushed on the "all gods are facets of my god" too which annoys me no end. When you point that out, the part about that means we are all worshipping their god but are too stupid to know it, they just don't see it. They say no, no, you just see the facet (of my god) that (my god) wishes you to see, it's OUR god. No, it isn't it is your god because I don't follow it.

sigh

I don't think it is necessary for us all to follow the same god. Or there to be only one.

I imagine they think that we are hallucinating or lying when we say we have met more than one. I don't know.