Ken,  surprise,  I  don't  believe  the  always-changing  propaganda about when masonry started.   We  don't  actually  know.    And  there's  plenty  on  the  web  if  you  want  to  spend  time  on  it.  

I've  pointed  out  TWO  kinds  of  modern  technology  that  were  predicted in the Bible thousands of years before they happened,   air  transportation  and  visible spying.  Which  may  have  been  possible  for a while before Watergating.   You wouldn't  think it would be that  difficult  for  the  tech-inclined  to  invent.  

More  "Psych 101"   lots  of  men  can't  understand  that  women  are  so  multi-tasking, but imagine if you were  the mother of  several  children, where  "anything can happen".  You'd have to learn to think of  lots of different things at once.   Which  doesn't  distract from mens'  accomplishments  requiring  muscles.   Some  men  say  women  make  their head spin.   Maybe you can fight a war  and  put up a skyscraper, as women  couldn't.  

I'm  not  here  to  try  to  get  you  to  believe,    just  looking  for some really  NEW  ideas and understandings,  updates, now  that we really  do  have  the  technology.  And for now I'd better get back to working on my deadlines.   I've  been  away  a  long  time,  and  have to again  move  on  if  we  can't  come  up with anything  new.     

Mar 4, 2012 -- 10:04AM, Ken wrote:

Mar 4, 2012 -- 3:59AM, Eagle-1 wrote:

More  "Psych 101"   lots  of  men  can't  understand  that  women  are  so  multi-tasking, but imagine if you were  the mother of  several  children, where  "anything can happen".  You'd have to learn to think of  lots of different things at once.   Which  doesn't  distract from mens'  accomplishments  requiring  muscles.   Some  men  say  women  make  their head spin.   Maybe you can fight a war  and  put up a skyscraper, as women  couldn't.

Women can put up skyscrapers:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_%28skyscraper...

I don't see how any of this relates to the subjects covered by this forum.

Sexist bigotry, why am I not surprised?

Mar 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Eagle-1 wrote:

Saturday Night, 3-3-12

Thanks for the replies, Guys.  It  is indeed nice to see you again.  I  received an Email  notification  that  a  comment  had been posted in this thread, after all  this  time. 

About  masonry wanting to rule the world, obviously I'm  talking about  "New World Order".  Certainly  nothing personal  about  any  certain  member.   I've  been  friends  with  some.  One  hosted a weekly  gathering at his home  Tuesday afternoons  to  play  chamber music, string quartets,  and we  really  really  miss  him.  No,  he  had  no  desire to rule the world, but the final (of many) Antichrist  has  an  underground,  remember.   We  learned  in  beginning  Psych courses in college  that  men  do  like  to  organize,  and I  have a  hunch  masonry, at least in some form, existed before Abraham.

The so-called "New World Order" is a conspiracy theory based on a furtive fallacy which is an informal fallacy of emphasis. In this case the fallacy is a belief that significant facts of history are necessarily sinister. The concept of a "New World Order" would never work in practice. If anyone looked objectively at the United Nations they would see that the various countries in the world cannot agree on almost anything. There are and have been some individuals who believed it was their destiny to rule the world. These people are suffering from grandiose disorder which can be caused from the manic state of bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or substance abuse disorder. This disorder usually has a supernatural, science-fictional, or religious theme

Mar 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Eagle-1 wrote:

Anyway, TPaine, my friend, you're ignoring the  MODERN TECHNOLOGY clues, and the fact that, "With God, a thousand years is as a day."   Revelation was probably being  written mostly for us! Back then, there were no ways of   distributing it to the whole world. The Apocalypse (unveiling) is to be a time of trouble that has never been before, or ever shall be again. We've been surviving just fine so far, so most of  it must  be still coming. There's to be an attack on Israel, I admit I don't study too much, could  not do anything about it, and I'm certainly not involved in that.

John of Patmos wrote Revelation as an allegory. While the letters to the seven churches of Asia are written to tell them to clean up their act, the symbolism used in the rest of the book are not to be taken literally. John realized that writing a non-allegorical message that named names and described actual events would get him crucified. Rome didn't take kindly to criticism, so he called Rome Babylon, the church was the woman, the 7 heads of the beast were the seven hills that Rome was built on, and the whore of Babylon was the Roman government. When reading ancient books one must read them in the context of the time they were written, not project them into the present day.

Mar 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Eagle-1 wrote:

I'm emphasizing the TECHNOLOGY clues, notice. The woman didn't fly by herself, but on two wings of a great eagle (nation). All that about her being clothed with the sun is figurative, probably means she's in some kind of spotlight, or enlightened because she prays for understanding and wisdom, and was "led" to discover the technology clues that evidently NOBODY else in the world even  noticed (?) I certainly hope some other woman stands up, that these things happened to, but   meanwhile, some people have told me nobody else could do what I'm doing, that God is using me.   Somebody  has to point out these sorely  neglected parts of the Bible. Is it even honest  of men  to try to hide this? Even the pastors? We've mentioned apparent contradictions,on-the-other-hand  statements and commandments, and along with "They defeated him" (the accuser/opposer of the believers in religion (heavenly) circles, Rev. 12, "by the Blood of the Lamb" and by the Word of their testimony," there's also the opposite advice, "The prudent keep silence during this time"!

The story of the woman is also allegorical. The woman represents the personification of the ideal community of God's people, first the Jewish community in which Mary gave birth to Jesus (the child) and then the Christian communication that was, at the time, being persecuted by the Romans. It was written to give hope to those people, allay their fears, renew their commitment, and sustain their vision. People throughout church history have believed that John's message was meant for them. That belief still exists among some Christians today.

Mar 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Eagle-1 wrote:

Can I at least get you guys to acknowledge that for a woman's body to be corrupted so that the conspirators at Lachish could LOOK UPON her, evidently long distance, or they wouldn't need to corrupt her body, would require some malpractice and technology, and that her flying would require  airplanes, helicopters, balloons, ufo's, or something modern?

As I've said before, I don't believe John intended for the woman to represent an actual physical person. He intended the vision to represent the church and the word fly was not meant to mean to travel through the air, but to escape persecution.

Mar 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Eagle-1 wrote:

I've probably told you before, a preaching student at a church college who always had his mind on sex has bragged in alumnae news that he's been to Lachish, right about the time Nixon went to visit Golda Mier. He's not the beast or the beast's partner false prophet, but probably has always been under their influence. I've also  pointed out that whoever even believes the beastly lies will perish, so if you've all heard of  "the mark of the beast", Rev. 14, and wondered how we're to recognise and avoid it, evidently just believing his lies is at least part of taking his mark.

The "mark of the beast" is a Christian concept and is not shared by those who follow other religions. I do not believe in such a thing and I have no interest in being marked by anyone. It's rather foolish to work to avoid something you don't believe exists. Jewish scripture states that Satan was God's prosecutor who was unable to act independently of God. Christians are the ones that elevated him to an independent evil force.

Mar 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Eagle-1 wrote:

For a bit of a break in case we need one, McAfee has found a couple of Trojans, and my Windows  Installer seems to be affected, maybe just accidental errors in the Registry, which of course I don't want to go into. Have you ever used  Fix Cleaner? I used to have a paid subscription, but had to have some  reformats,  items coming up missing, and naturally the repair people don't want us to use those scans. I may need to use it again, just wondering if any of you recommend  it. There's  also a  Driver Manager, What about that one?  Lots of people can't install printers these days, various reasons, I.E. version, shouldn't be later than six, so I made Mozilla my default browser, downloaded one driver and one critical update to overcome the I.E. problem. Nothing works. I came in here to start a new McAfee scan, and saw  his  mail.  Anyway, thanks again for the intense  discussion, showing you do know  a lot about the Bible. Hope your wife is doing okay. I'm worried about maybe not passing the Michigan driving test at this time next year, so I  have a 2 and 1/2 hr  appointment coming up the  6th, my b.d. to try to find out what exactly is wrong with my worst eye. Had a lot of surgeries on both. Maybe laser scars, from having retinopathy extra blood vessels  sealed  so  many  times.  I forget if your wife has diabetes. Thanks too for respecting women, and taking care of her. I'll wait until tomorrow for my new Security scan.  Have a good  evening, Everyone.

I have never used either of the programs you mentioned, so I can't give you any advice on them. McAfee should be able to fix your Trojan Horse problem. I used AVG as my anti-virus and firewall. So far it has kept my computer clean and caught and eliminated many threats. They also have a program called PC Tuneup 2011, that you can uses to scan your computer and fix your registry, clean up your files, defragment your hard drive, and other things like that. I hope things with your doctor turn out well and that you are able to pass your driver's test. My wife and the rest of my family are doing fine, but now that we are all together, we are looking for a larger house so we have more room. Thank you for asking.

Mar 3, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Eagle-1 wrote:

I certainly agree that this final Antichrist is probably a Christian Fundie, who thinks the church can do any evil thing it wants, as long  as not  using "the harps of God", any kind of  instrumental  music. They claim Revelation can't be understood, disregard it. I forget who started this thread and I keep forgetting to look back, but they may have noticed his vicious lies about the believers, just  as predicted in the Bible. It's evidently a test for us.

I have found that the vast majority of Christians are decent people who truly care about others. However, the ones who make the most noise are the ones who believe that they should enforce their world-view on everyone. An example of this type is Bryan Fisher of the American Family Association who believes that the First Amendment guarantee of free exercise of religion applies only to Christians. He obviously has no idea what the Father of the Constitution and author of the Bill of Rights, James Madison, actually believed. I believe the Christian theocrats are very dangerous and want to make America a Christian version of Iran.

I to use AVG, have for years first its free version now the full version. Happy with both

I used AVG free on my old XP, and was very pleased, but yes you need to find what works for you. Working on the computer is a very personal. and you should be happy :)