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2 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2009 - 8:44PM
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I worked in an office where a women was sending out letters but when the supervisor put in the basket a letter she wanted mailed she found all the enevolpes the women wrote had every charecter in the address a different color. Plus she doted all the i's with a red heart the supervisor took them out and made her do them over. The women who wrote them was so insulted. Can you imagine working in an office and not knowing the minimum way how to address a business envelope
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2009 - 10:18PM
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This thread has been moved from Hot Topics Zone to Workplace Spirituality. agnosticspirit - Bnet Community host
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 9:41PM
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We reallly don't know if she was or was not appropriately warned and cautioned about her email style. However, most people know this is considered unpleasant and unprofessional. Perhaps this was a straw that broke the camel's back and she was fired for a variety of reasons including email. OR Maybe the bosses wife just doesn't like her because she is kinda cute and is 15 years younger than the wife herself. And the wife along with her best friend and fellow harpie the Office Manager plotted against this innocent young woman out of meaness and jealosy? New Zealand is a very long way away
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 9:32PM
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But does she deserve to be fired for this?
She was not fired for the all caps, the !!!, or the colored fonts. She was fired for continuing when told not to use all those things. I find it hard to believe she was not warned or at least told her behavior was inappropriate in the business realm. The supervisor should have doccumented things better.
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 2:46PM
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Actually, Tmarie, as a lifelong marketing/communications professional, I agree with you, and, probably, ultimately, with the company. I'd at least agree that this woman should not have public contact either in person or via electronic communication. But, all joke aside, there are a couple of things to remember: 1) From a single news story, we certainly don't know as much about the situaiton, and haven't heard all the testimony the court heard. 2) Good Personnel and/or human relations practice, and some counseling and training of the employee, might have solved the situation w/o the draconian response. Maybe that was tried. Maybe not. As I said, we don't KNOW enough. That's one reason I joke about these GASP!!!! BE VERY ALARMED!!!! stories. They are not INTENDED to really inform, they are calculated to inflame.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 2:32PM
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Not too get too far off-topic, but this is yet another in a long string of idiotic examples of a court room believing it can better run a private business than the people running it.
One MIGHT say, it depends on what a society finds more important; corporations or people.
Society isn't paying the bills or explaining to customers why this stupid woman is screaming at them in their emails.
James Thurber - "It is better to know some of the questions than all of the answers."
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 2:26PM
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Any professional should write an email the same way they would write a letter.
If she can't write professionally, then they should be able to fire her.
Regardless of professionalism, if she failed to follow company policy in regards to her communications, they should be able to fire her.
Hi Nepenthe, pasting a portion of one of the links at the bottom .. A couple of the reasons cited by Employment Relations Authority for wrongful dismissal are explained below.... Apparently she hadn't received adequate warning, the didn't think the problem was severe enough to warrant dismissal, nor was there anything in the company policy regarding email etiquette. I'm curious how many companies will update their employee handbooks as a result? I would also think the intended audience should be taken into consideration... Internal communications can be less formal, depending upon who the recipient is. External communications by necessity needs to be of higher caliber. Emails are considered LEGAL documents in the US, not so sure whether this is the case in NZ. Regardless of the legal issues, I think they were right to dismiss her. Email is such an integral part of our communications, lack of legibility can certainly lead to incorrect conclusions and missteps. Quote from the article: Authority member Alastair Dumbleton said Ms Walker received no warnings, and while she had contributed to disharmony in the workplace it was not to the extent that dismissal was fair or reasonable. She had been a capable and competent employee, he said. ProCare did not have a style or etiquette guide for employees using email, so it was not clear what was regarded as unacceptable communication. ProCare did not respond to a request for comment on the compensation ruling.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 1:50PM
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Not too get too far off-topic, but this is yet another in a long string of idiotic examples of a court room believing it can better run a private business than the people running it.
One MIGHT say, it depends on what a society finds more important; corporations or people.
Democrats think the glass is half full. Republicans think the glass is theirs. Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 1:45PM
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Not too get too far off-topic, but this is yet another in a long string of idiotic examples of a court room believing it can better run a private business than the people running it.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 02, 2009 - 1:43PM
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Any professional should write an email the same way they would write a letter.
If she can't write professionally, then they should be able to fire her.
I've read the article, and I certainly agree that such a habit is inexcusably annoying. She, however, seems too stupid to get this. While such cummunication should not be tolerated, I think she should have been warned before being fired, and may have won the case on that basis alone (being fired without any previous warning). It is understood in email or online "culture" that to use all caps is to shout, and shouting at someone else should never be tolerated, least of all in a professional setting. She should be severly reprimanded, should have her emails reviewed by someone with a clue before allowing them to be sent, and face further punishment if she still refuses to get it.
There was a time when it was considered extremely embarrassing to be caught in even unintentional rudeness. Now, however, people seem to pride themselves on being rude and seeming to get away with it. These people do not, however, tolerate rudeness to themselves, of course. What a world we live in!
"Charity is no substitute for justice withheld." ~ St. Augustine
"Never place a period where God has placed a comma." ~ Gracie Allen
"I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it." ~ Abraham Lincoln
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