| 5 years ago :: Dec 05, 2008 - 12:47AM #1 | |
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I don't wear much jewelry. Generally only my silver scarab earrings and my wedding ring. But this morning I decided to put on my little gold Star of David necklace. As I put it on, I thought about how it's traveled my spiritual journey with me, from religious Reform Judaism to.........wherever it is I am now.
Once upon a time, it was a treasured symbol of my Jewishness. Then, it became a symbol of God up in heaven reaching down to me, as I reached up to God from my earthly state (this was long before The DaVinci Code was published). More recently, I veiwed it to symbolize the eternal qualities of God being offered me, as I, in my puny mortal state sought after them. But, this morning, I, again, saw it differently. Instead of division and separateness between the two triangles, I saw entanglement and a meshing of the divine and the mortal. God no longer felt "above" me in either physical location or attribute; but beside me, as a teaching companion who takes joy in my discoveries of growth toward........? Knowing toward what doesn't seem important for now. Then, later in the day, as I pondered this new way of relating to my God, I began to wonder how all of you relate to your Gods? You are all so unique and your visions of deity so different from what I have known to this point in my life. It is actually quite exciting for me to read your posts. But I don't have a good grasp of how you all relate to your Gods. Seems many of you have been posting here for quite a while. Maybe you've spoken about this in another thread. One of you can always point me in that direction if you'd rather not rehash an old subject. But if you care to, I would very much like to hear how you relate to your Gods. Up, down, all around, inside, beside, physical, spirit, equal, glorious, demanding, caring, involved, knowable, unknowable? And anything else I didn't include. Thanks! ~Cyndi |
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 05, 2008 - 1:09AM #2 | |
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[QUOTE]There are no mundane things outside of Buddhism, and there is no Buddhism outside of mundane things. - Yuan Wu[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] "Shun elsewhere to seek Him Or from him you will stray. As I go on alone I meet him everywhere. He is what I am now, But I am not what he is. Such should one's comprehension be To unite with 'thatness'." - Master Liang Chiai [/QUOTE] I am a panentheist. I find the Divine in everything, everywhere and at all times. But most often in the smallest and most ordinary of things, like my breath. And I say that, not just because we Buddhists are trained to watch our breath - but as an asthmatic who is literally grateful for every clear breath that I take. There is no prayer more sacred, to me, than a breath of gratitude. I'm not much into psychics, but psychic George Anderson calls pets; "The eyes of God". I found that to be a profound statement. We, Buddhists, say that all sentient beings have Buddha Nature. So yeah, often I find that my dogs and cats are my best spiritual teachers, I find the Divine in them, too. Finally, I often find the Divine in my contact with my prayer beads. They help to ground me, center me, get me into touch with my breath... I find them comforting and when I clasp them, I sometimes feel like a small child reaching out to find comfort in clasping the Buddha's hand. :D It's so very late and I'm feeling "fuzzy-minded" 'cause I'm sleep deprived. I hope all of this has made some kind of good sense?... LOL. If not, perhaps, I'll try again tomorrow. |
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 06, 2008 - 12:17AM #3 | |
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Yes, Chiyo, what you've said makes sense. Thank you.
I believed that Buddhists did not incorporate the Divine into their religion. In fact, I thought Buddhism was more of a philosophy than a religion encompassing the concept of God or the Divine. Based upon what you've said here, I think I have been incorrect in my belief. Do I understand you correctly? At various times in my life, I have been quite involved in forms of yoga, so completely get the idea of our breath being sacred. Something else I learned from your post is that there is a difference between "pantheism," and "panentheism." I thought you had made a typo until I googled the word. This is exactly the stuff I'm looking to learn. Thanks! I hope others will post about their relationships with their Gods. |
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 06, 2008 - 7:28AM #4 | |
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I'm Wiccan and we believe that we are all part of the Divine. Each rock, flower, mule and that plastic cup you are worried will give you cancer - even the cancer is part of the Divine. I also have Gods who speak to me, with whom I've developed a loving relationship over a long period of time. They are my guides, who are there with a loving hug, or laughter or a swift kick to the pants when I need that too. This journey of life is so much richer shared with them. I find contact with the Divine when I really take time to see this world and when I return to it some of the energy that is given to me.
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. Marcus Aurelius
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 06, 2008 - 9:31PM #5 | |
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I am also Wiccan. I stand pretty much in line with Gilly. The differences are really so minute as to be not worth talking about.
I have a relationship with my Gods that is personal and intimate. I met them sitting under a big ole' cottonwood tree that sits on this farm of mine. The farm has been in the family since 1836. I don't say that as a brag but because it really is important. This 170 acres is in my blood and in my bones. I certainly ate a lot of it as I was growing up! My Gods are not from the pantheons that many people would recognize. They aren't in any pantheon at all. They are the little Gods of this land that I am so tied to. They have never told me their names. I don't know if that's because I wouldn't understand the names or if, as I suspect, they are so ancient they just don't have names. That is not a brag either. I really think they have been here, in this little place, for a very, very long time. When I speak with them that is the feeling I get. I have a relationship that is one of friendship, guidance, mentorship, love on both sides and that ole' clue-by-four when I need it. They don't ask for my worship or my reverence. I give it freely. They have never let me down. There is respect there and trust. On both sides. I also see every single speck of this universe as being Divine. I can never be apart of Divinity. I am Divinity and Divinity is me. I hope my rambling helps. |
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 06, 2008 - 10:05PM #6 | |
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 07, 2008 - 12:04PM #7 | |
Dark Energy. It can be found in the observable Universe. Found in ratios of 75% more than any other substance. Dark Energy. It can be found in religious extremists, in cheerleaders. To come to the conclusion that Dark signifies mean and malevolent would define 75% of the Universe as an evil force. Alternatively, to think that some cheerleaders don't have razors in their snatch is to be foolishly unarmed.
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 07, 2008 - 4:04PM #8 | |
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[QUOTE=Ayelet2;936495] Seems many of you have been posting here for quite a while. Maybe you've spoken about this in another thread. One of you can always point me in that direction if you'd rather not rehash an old subject. But if you care to, I would very much like to hear how you relate to your Gods. Up, down, all around, inside, beside, physical, spirit, equal, glorious, demanding, caring, involved, knowable, unknowable? And anything else I didn't include.
Thanks! ~Cyndi[/QUOTE] I relate to my Gods through meditation, right action and academia. I believe that the Gods are separate from me, but I still feel close to them. My Gods are knowable, and capable of interacting with me, though not always in overt ways. Meditation should be clear enough as a method of interacting, often this takes on the form of animram, a meditative/ dream like state in which one approaches/ explores the other world. It is slow and quite subjective, but works for me. Right action, is more about living life the way the Gods ask me to, but this is also a part of interacting. I wouldn't call it the will of the Gods, rather than how one ought to live. Again many aspects fo this are subjective and open to interpretation. Academia, is something which may seem distant and separate from interacting with the divine, but it is of vital importance for me. By exploring the tales and myths, one is able to understand the nature of the Gods, and able to learn how to speak with them (i.e. through the learning of a Celtic language in my case), how to go about an imram, or other elements that allows on to become closer to one's Gods. |
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 07, 2008 - 11:54PM #9 | |
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[QUOTE=Chiyo;940731]No Buddhist believes in a First Cause or Creator, because we all believe in Dependent Origination. But having said that, Buddhism is a wide and diverse religion, with differing Traditions. Some Buddhists believe in Deity, others believe in Deities and still others are atheist. Since our religion/philosophy does not revolve around any kind of particular belief in the divine, each position is acceptable.
LINK LINK[/QUOTE] Chiyo, just after I posted back to you, I received an email from a friend who told me about classes in Tibetan Buddhism being offered in my town. How about that! There was a link in her email, and I spent quite a bit of time looking through the site. Then, I read your reply post and followed your links. Think I now have a better idea how you relate to the Divine. Really liked your first link. The metaphor of waves within an ocean was great. Very visual. It was, however, difficult to understand the info contained in the second link. Know I'm missing something important...... gillyflower, itty, and sacrificalgoddess: your posts were filled with feelings of intimate association with your Gods. It was warm reading. :) Never have considered things like plastic cups as part of the Divine, so I'm going to have to think on that one a little more. gillyflower, will you tell me how this is so? And, itty, will you elaborate upon the "little Gods?" Is there ranking within your Gods? Or are the little Gods more reticent? |
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| 5 years ago :: Dec 08, 2008 - 12:42AM #10 | |
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[QUOTE=gorm_sionnach;941782]I relate to my Gods through meditation, right action and academia. I believe that the Gods are separate from me, but I still feel close to them. My Gods are knowable, and capable of interacting with me, though not always in overt ways.
Meditation should be clear enough as a method of interacting, often this takes on the form of animram, a meditative/ dream like state in which one approaches/ explores the other world. It is slow and quite subjective, but works for me. Right action, is more about living life the way the Gods ask me to, but this is also a part of interacting. I wouldn't call it the will of the Gods, rather than how one ought to live. Again many aspects fo this are subjective and open to interpretation. Academia, is something which may seem distant and separate from interacting with the divine, but it is of vital importance for me. By exploring the tales and myths, one is able to understand the nature of the Gods, and able to learn how to speak with them (i.e. through the learning of a Celtic language in my case), how to go about an imram, or other elements that allows on to become closer to one's Gods.[/QUOTE] gorm sionnach, wow, do I relate to what you've expressed here! Meditation, right action, and study are exactly the ways through which I'm hoping to obtain a better understanding of who/what is the Divine, and how I am part of the Whole. And, for myself, I would add dropping all expectations of what I will discover. That is the battle.....It's so easy to fall back on what is comfortable and safe, but not necessarily true. Had not heard about an "imram" before. Sounds beautiful and wondrous. Thanks so much for sharing this. |
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