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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:05PM #1
Gilligan
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Why doesn't the story below happen to people who tell Christians "No, I'm not interested" or "Get a life" anymore ?

BY: S.B. Shaw

"I AM IN THE FLAMES -- PULL ME OUT, PULL ME OUT!"

Mr. W____, the subject of this narrative, died in J____, New York, about the year 1883, at the age of seventy-four. He was an avowed infidel. He was a good neighbor in some respects, yet he was very wicked and made a scoff of Christianity. About seven years previous to his death he passed through a revival. The Spirit strove with him, but he resisted to the last.

One Sabbath after this, Mr. N -, who relates this sketch, was on his way to church and passed Mr. W 's house, who was standing by the gate. He said, "Come with me to church, Mr. W____." The infidel, holding out his hand, replied, "Show me a hair on the palm of my hand and I will show you a Christian." During his last sickness, Mr. N called on him often and sat up with him several nights, and was with him when he died. The infidel was conscious of his near approaching end and of the terrors of his lost condition. He said once to Mr. N____, who, as a local worker, held meetings in school houses around, "Warn the world not to live as I have lived, and escape my woe." At another time when visited by a doctor, he was groaning and making demonstrations of great agony. The doctor said, "Why do you groan, your disease is not painful?" "O, doctor," said he, "it is not the body but the soul that troubles me." On the evening of his death, Mr. N -came at ten o'clock. A friend of his was there also. As he entered the room he felt that it was filled with an awful presence as if he were near the region of the damned. The dying man cried out, "O God, deliver me from that awful pit!" It was not a penitential prayer, but the wail of a lost soul. About fifteen minutes before his death, which was at twelve, he exclaimed, "I am in the flames -- pull me out, pull me out!" He kept repeating this until the breath left his body. As the bodily strength failed his words became more faint. At last Mr. N___ put his ear down close to catch his departing whispers, and the last words he could hear were, "Pull me out, pull me out!" "It was an awful scene," said he. "It made an impression on me that I can never forget. I never want to witness such a scene again." I was talking with my friend years after, and he said those words, "I am in the flames -- pull me out, pull me out!" were still ringing in his ears. -- Written for this book by Rev. C. A. Balch, Cloverville, N. Y.
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:18PM #2
Chiyo
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[QUOTE]Gilligan; Why doesn't the story below happen to people who tell Christians "No, I'm not interested" or "Get a life" anymore ?[/QUOTE]

Stories like that don't happen anymore because Jizo is on the job, doing exactly what he promised to do; rescuing each and every soul from Hell and leaving it an empty, gaping hole. :D

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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:33PM #3
mainecaptain
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The problem with the original post is that he is not getting, that many here are nothing like he is describing. We simply have relationships with different gods.

If your god Yahweh, wanted any of us he would stop by and say hello. Since he has not I am sure he does not want us he does not have any interest in any of us. We are not of the tribe he made the covenant. Most of us here, are of other tribes and of other gods.
Our gods love us and we love them. So we are good. Thanks
I have no idea why he may have experienced why he did except that he had been brainwashed into the experience he had. I also believe we may go where we expect to go, So actually his friends sent him to hell not he or your god
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:34PM #4
ZenYen
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I can think of a few possibilities to explain why this doesn't happen anymore ...

1) The original story could have been just made up. In other words, it didn't happen the first time. Sometimes people lie for Jesus.

2) The original story could have happened as related, but the dying man was suffering from feverish delusions or giving into his own fears. People who don't have those delusions or fears likely won't wail about hell as they are dying. But this man, possibly in part of because of this other fellow's proselytizing, had his head full of horrifying images put there by his friend.

3) There really is a hell and this guy really did feel himself being pulled down into it -- but his case is anomolous and no one else experiences these sensations today because ... because ...     Hmmmm. I can seem to explain why he would feel these sensations and other people wouldn't feel them if Scenario Three is true. Unless, perhaps, there are multiple gods and multiple things that can happen to a soul after death. Maybe some other deities collected the souls of other departed non-Christians, sending them happily on their way to whatever reward they'd earned while a Christian proselytizer sat there wondering why the newly dead guy didn't use his last breath to wail about going to Hell.

I don't have much data to go on, so I'll say Scenario One and Scenario Two have a 50-50 chance of being the right answer, since neither scenario clashes with observed facts and both could be supported with at least the evidence of experience, I.E., we know people lie for Jesus sometimes, and we know people suffering in extreme circumstances can experience delusions.

Scenario Three, in all its iterations, is at least theoretically possible, but as I can't think of any experience or evidence to make me lean that way, I'll not assign it any statistical probablility of it being correct. So, from my vantage anyway, I'll say, "Could be, but I doubt it."
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:35PM #5
mainecaptain
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Thank you Chiyo:)
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:37PM #6
Chiyo
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Zen-Yen; You just are no fun at all. :rolleyes:
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:37PM #7
mainecaptain
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Oh Zen that is a wonderful post, Very well thought out. makes sense to me, Thank you.
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:39PM #8
ZenYen
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Cap: Thank you, deary.

Chiyo: What can I say? I'm in one of those moods today. I'll try to be more fun next time ...
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:51PM #9
Chiyo
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[QUOTE]Zen-Yen;  What can I say? I'm in one of those moods today. I'll try to be more fun next time ...[/QUOTE]

I'll be looking forward to it. :cool:
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6 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2008 - 1:58PM #10
mainecaptain
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I think you are both great with wonderful ideas. Zen your piece was really good, And I love Chiyo for learning about Jizo so no matter what , we do not have to worry:)
A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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