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Switch to Forum Live View Choosing to be born, literally
7 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2007 - 7:07AM #1
keesiewonder
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[FONT="]Which (faith) groups are the ones who believe that a person chooses to be born, to come to earth?

Who are some authors who have elaborated on this concept? [/FONT]
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7 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2007 - 8:50AM #2
Sacrificialgoddess
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Well, I think I've seen it in some Christian writings, but I can't remember clearly enough to be sure.  Let me look through my library and see if I've got anything.  :D
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7 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2007 - 10:10AM #3
spiritalk
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Isn't it found in the new age thinking of reincarnation.  Actually theories of reincarnation can be distinct to various groups - each with their own progressive theories.
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7 years ago  ::  Oct 26, 2007 - 7:55PM #4
keesiewonder
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Does 'reincarnation' by definition include 'choosing to be (re)born?'

A skim of, say, Wikipedia's article on Reincarnation indicates a wide variety of faiths (including some Christians) include belief in some form of reincarnation.

I ask my original post since a 'know it all Christian' insisted that even though I didn't know it, I had chosen to be born. (I don't remember what they were trying to prove; it is over on the old Beliefnet somewhere.) Anyway, I thought I spend a bit of time trying to figure out how they had come up with this idea and initially felt it sounded like a blend of (confusion of?) faiths.
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7 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 9:43AM #5
spiritalk
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[QUOTE=keesiewonder;25470]Does 'reincarnation' by definition include 'choosing to be (re)born?'

A skim of, say, Wikipedia's article on Reincarnation indicates a wide variety of faiths (including some Christians) include belief in some form of reincarnation.

I ask my original post since a 'know it all Christian' insisted that even though I didn't know it, I had chosen to be born. (I don't remember what they were trying to prove; it is over on the old Beliefnet somewhere.) Anyway, I thought I spend a bit of time trying to figure out how they had come up with this idea and initially felt it sounded like a blend of (confusion of?) faiths.[/QUOTE]

Wikipedia has been found to NOT be the best source for information.  It is a collection of opinion no different than these lines.

Perhaps we all end up with a confusion in our spiritual quest.  Sometimes it rings true and sometimes we just have to filter our thoughts through the idea.

IME reincarnation is a repeat of the old and tried.  Spirituality is progressive and for me, it just doesn't fit.  For others with a sincere approach in their journey, they find it valid.  No real balance exists in this particular belief - you either do or not.  A survey of people in the US found 65% against/35% for in recent years.

The ideas of choosing our life seemed to have arisen with the new age fads of the past few years - in the various writers' ideas of reincarnation.  Reincarnation itself from the east is practiced differently than that adopted for the west.  More and more confusion for the examination.
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7 years ago  ::  Oct 27, 2007 - 10:10AM #6
keesiewonder
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Yes, I  am quite familiar with Wikipedia and it's cons (as well as pros); so substitute "an encyclopedia" for that W word.  Trust me, W is not my primary source of information. But, I bet the Encyclopedia Britannica also mentions a variety of faiths in its article on reincarnation.

So, perhaps the "preacher" I encountered was a relatively new Christian previously or currently involved with one of the many New Age fads. I guess I'm trying to avoid posting in those groups during my quest.

spiritalk wrote:

Wikipedia has been found to NOT be the best source for information.  It is a collection of opinion no different than these lines.

Perhaps we all end up with a confusion in our spiritual quest.  Sometimes it rings true and sometimes we just have to filter our thoughts through the idea.

IME reincarnation is a repeat of the old and tried.  Spirituality is progressive and for me, it just doesn't fit.  For others with a sincere approach in their journey, they find it valid.  No real balance exists in this particular belief - you either do or not.  A survey of people in the US found 65% against/35% for in recent years.

The ideas of choosing our life seemed to have arisen with the new age fads of the past few years - in the various writers' ideas of reincarnation.  Reincarnation itself from the east is practiced differently than that adopted for the west.  More and more confusion for the examination.

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7 years ago  ::  Oct 28, 2007 - 9:19AM #7
spiritalk
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Isn't seeking wonderful!  It certainly is a journey of many places, people, things!
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 23, 2007 - 9:11AM #8
Spirit-Wind
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[QUOTE=keesiewonder;25470]
I ask my original post since a 'know it all Christian' insisted that even though I didn't know it, I had chosen to be born. [/QUOTE]

That person's views are highly unorthodox.  Belief in prior existence of souls is outside of standard Christian doctrine.  One could say heretical if one chooses.  I don't so choose.   

For your own mental health, try not to get emotionally involved in beliefnet discussions.  It will drive you to madness!
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 23, 2007 - 10:58AM #9
Chicagoheathen
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I have heard both Christians and non-Christians talk about 'choosing to be born'. I have heard it mentioned as part of reincarnation and part of a single life. I am not sure it is strict doctrine in any faith, but I know that it is certainly a personal belief for some people, of diverse faiths.

Not much help in particulars, I know.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 27, 2007 - 3:29AM #10
jaybird41
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The Church of Jesus Christ believe in a premortal existance and the ability to choose - free agency.


Plan of Salvation
In the premortal existence, Heavenly Father prepared a plan to enable us to become like Him and receive a fulness of joy. The scriptures refer to this plan as "the plan of salvation" (Alma 24:14; Moses 6:62), "the great plan of happiness" (Alma 42:8), "the plan of redemption" (Jacob 6:8; Alma 12:30), and "the plan of mercy" (Alma 42:15). The plan of salvation is the fulness of the gospel. It includes the Creation, the Fall, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and all the laws, ordinances, and doctrines of the gospel. Moral agency, the ability to choose and act for ourselves, is also essential in Heavenly Father's plan. Because of this plan, we can be perfected through the Atonement, receive a fulness of joy, and live forever in the presence of God. Our family relationships can last throughout the eternities

Go to LDS.com and type in ( premortal ) in the search space. There are 800 + articals on the subject.
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