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11 months ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 11:28PM #51
steven_guy
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:17PM, d_p_m wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 10:45PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


iama: Go and buy the book and decide for yourself, instead of making your empty accusations!




I'm sorry, but buying that book would be an immoral act, and I cannot support evil causes in that way.




I agree. I would feel unclean buying such a book.

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 11:43PM #52
Mesothet
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Misotht: Iama, do you then assume that concretely objective reality is a “Lie”? Even those who maintain the reality of Maya (illusion) do not assert that truthfully conveyed perceptions of physical reality are a “lie”. Organic evolution is fully part of physical reality. I could expand this at length: e.g. why then hold any degree of credence in the reality of DNA, not to even speak of a solid planet, a body that feels, the very physical sensations of pain or pleasure that one may experience. . . etc.? Man would I love for you to answer my question.




iama:  You are living in some ethereal realm in clouds of unreality / speculative philosophy...



Iama, I was being polight--not rude. Pagan to the bone though I am, I dully admire Jeusus Crist (as I admire the Budda) for his kindness, wisdom, and courage, among other noble attributes. 


Niether have you answered my sincere question of your beliefs as to what "reality" is nor have you give any other impression other than one of ignorance and fear--this via your immature retaliation. This ethereal realm of "concrete objectivity" and "biological evolution"--last I recal--is considered reality by most. 


Please try to diplomatically reply to my questions: Do you assume that concretely objective reality (or any part of it) is a "lie"?   


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11 months ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 11:43PM #53
MMarcoe
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 10:37PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


iama: I don't need to "wonder," because I already know!  Those who BELIEVE the ToE are anti- The Bible-Genesis Creation Account, and they HATE The God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit revealed by The Bible, and they desire to, humanistically,  "go their own way."





Then why are they the ones who have made the most progress promoting human rights and peace on earth in the last 150 years?


You Bible-worshippers hate human rights. You hate people. You hate progress. You hate GOD.

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 17, 2012 - 11:46PM #54
MMarcoe
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 10:10PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


iama:  They hate our Creator-God, The Bible, and Genesis!  Their humanism / elevation of man vs their responsibility to our Holy, Righteous Creator-God, because we are lost sinners / Christ Jesus died to save us from our sin, guilt natures.  Athesitic-our-Creator-God-denying god-men / women.  Worshipers of themselves and their chosen gods.





It's people like YOU who are elevating man over God. You invent a fake version of God and faith, and you worship that instead, along with your book.


There is no God in your cult. He has abandoned it.

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 8:48AM #55
Sigmund
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 8:04PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 6:31PM, Sigmund wrote:


steven_guy: If Creationism is true, then why do we never find rabbits fossilised next to stegosauruses or modern crabs fossiled with trilobites or pteranodons fossiled next to pigeons?


iama: Creation is true.


We don't know that rabbit fossils are not found next to stegosauruses, because all fossils have not been excavated, yet.


It is, also, the practice of evolutionist-geologists that they don't publicize fossil findings which contradict their theory. (Are you ever going to retract and apologize for this lie? I mean, YOUR OWN LINKS show it to be a lie)


Other mammals have been found with dinosaur fossils, so that is equivalent to rabbits. I forgot to mention this one yesterday. This is simply not true.


Pollen Pardox



Sigmund: You boggle the mind sometimes. Did you even read the article you linked to? The authors are commenting on an article in the 1966 issue of NATURE MAGAZINE!


If scientists never publicize findings that contradict their theory, how was there an article in the world's most-cited, interdisciplinary scientific journal to be commented on? I mean Nature has only been published since 1869 so it might have easy for you to miss.


(Of course the article they are commenting on is 45+ years out of date but hey! What's nearly half a century of scientific investigation between friends, right iama?)


Please provide evidence of your claim that "... mammals have been found with dinosaur fossils"



iama: Following, firstly, is the article which I was searching for, yesterday.  The author states that the ToE is finished, because of what is, now,  known.


Living fossils: a powerful argument for creation



So he claims that he found mammals and dinosaurs together. Whoopee. He provides no evidence for his claims.


Just so you know, the typical timeline for the evolution of mammals (according to your demon theory of evolution) is:

  • Synapsids: 315 ma
  • Therapsids: 275 ma
  • Cynodants: 250 ma
  • Docodonts: 165 ma
  • Eutheria: 160 ma
  • Placental orders: 100 ma - 83 ma

Various mammailian features:

  • Jaws and middle ear: 195 ma
  • Lactation: 275 ma
  • Hair/fur: 164 ma

Since the extinction of dinosaurs is accepted by mainstream science as ocurring 65 ma, perhaps you could explain why finding mammal and dinosaur fossils in the same layer is a problem?


Note that in the OP, steven_guy is asking for specific examples of the fossils of MODERN mammals being found with dinosaurs. That has not been found.




Nowhere in this link is it claimed that dinaosaurs and mammals were found together in the same layers. It is an article about the abundance of fossils found in the Gobi Desert. How do you think this article helps your claim?



Nowhere in this link is there a claim that dinosaur fossils and mammal fossils were found together.


It is however an excellent example of your lie about scientists never publishing results that go against the theory of evolution. Are you ever going to retract that statement?



Once again, nowhere in this link is there anything claiming that dinosaur and mammal fossils were found together. This one just shows that a fossilized hair was found in 100 ma amber. Since the development of hair/fur in mammals is estimated at 165 ma, why exactly is this a problem for the theory of evolution?

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 8:56AM #56
Sigmund
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 8:40PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 8:24PM, Blü wrote:


iama:


The author states that the ToE is finished, because of what is, now,  known.


Blu: If he can actually show that, then why is he publishing in creo parish magazines and propaganda sites and not in reputable journals of science?


Could it be because he knows that what he writes is only true in his dreams?


I take it telling lies to creos is what he does for a living?



iama: Since no evolution-presuppositioned peer-reviewed-journal is EVER going to publish that which would expose evolution for just what it is, The Lie, he wrote and published a book and DVD of what his worldwide 100,000 mile research into Living Fossils, found.




Your willful violation of one of the Ten Commandments continually amazes me. You posted a link to a CMI article that discussed a 1966 Nature article about the finding of pollen fossils in rocks that were over a billion years old. Did you forget your own link?


Pollen Paradox


Do you think that Nature isn't an "evolution-presuppositioned peer-reviewed-journal"?


Did you forget that I already called you on that and you refused to respond?

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 9:00AM #57
Sigmund
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 10:10PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 8:48PM, amcolph wrote:



iama:


The author states that the ToE is finished, because of what is, now,  known.


Blu: If he can actually show that, then why is he publishing in creo parish magazines and propaganda sites and not in reputable journals of science?


Could it be because he knows that what he writes is only true in his dreams?


I take it telling lies to creos is what he does for a living?


iama: Since no evolution-presuppositioned peer-reviewed-journal is EVER going to publish that which would expose evolution for just what it is, The Lie, he wrote and published a book and DVD of what his worldwide 100,000 mile research into Living Fossils, found.


amcolph: But you never have explained what the purpose of the lie is.  Why would hundreds of thousands of scientists and technicians go to all that trouble?



iama:  They hate our Creator-God, The Bible, and Genesis!  Their humanism / elevation of man vs their responsibility to our Holy, Righteous Creator-God, because we are lost sinners / Christ Jesus died to save us from our sin, guilt natures.  Athesitic-our-Creator-God-denying god-men / women.  Worshipers of themselves and their chosen gods.




Do you have any evidence of this completely anti-Christian slander? Any at all?


By the way, do you really think that there are THAT many atheists in academia to be able to support a conspiracy of millions?

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 9:24AM #58
Sigmund
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 10:37PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 9:25PM, d_p_m wrote:



d_p_m: Iama, have you ever wondered why YECism is at odds with virtually every field of science on the planet?


 


iama: I don't need to "wonder," because I already know!  Those who BELIEVE the ToE are anti- The Bible-Genesis Creation Account, and they HATE The God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit revealed by The Bible, and they desire to, humanistically,  "go their own way."



Where is your proof that scientists who accept the theory of evolution "HATE" God?

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11 months ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 12:04PM #59
iamachildofhis
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:15PM, d_p_m wrote:



iama: The author states that the ToE is finished, because of what is, now,  known.


d_p_m: The author is another 'not-scientist' writing a mass market fundamentalist apologetics book disguised as science. When will you learn to tell real science and real scientists from the fakes?


iama:  I assume, then, being the good scientist that you are, that you have read his book, BEFORE you critique it, here!


d_p_m: If a lawyer writes a book claiming the earth is 6,000 years old, or an engineer writes a book claiming a global flood caused the asteroids, or a medical doctor wrote a book claiming that ID is a more credible scientific theory than evolution, I don't have to read the book to know that it's garbage, because I know a fair bit about science.


I also know that engineers, lawyers, professional creationists and doctors are not scientists.



iama:  According to that same mode of thinking, then, your "I know a fair bit about science," doesn't make you a scientist!


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11 months ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 12:06PM #60
wohali
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IamaCHILD:


"iama: These could be post-The Flood "tar pits containing thousands of pleistocene and later animals.""


No, they couldn't, and that is a dumbassed thing to post.


www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/quaternary/pleisto...

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