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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 12:08PM #61
iamachildofhis
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:17PM, d_p_m wrote:



iama: Go and buy the book and decide for yourself, instead of making your empty accusations!


d_p_m: I'm sorry, but buying that book would be an immoral act, and I cannot support evil causes in that way.



iama: You mean that your "goddess" would be upset, don't you?


What is your basis for morality / immorality?


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 12:10PM #62
wohali
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Anyone who constantly posts untruths here is immoral.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 12:19PM #63
iamachildofhis
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:25PM, d_p_m wrote:



iama:  They hate our Creator-God, The Bible, and Genesis!  Their humanism / elevation of man vs their responsibility to our Holy, Righteous Creator-God, because we are lost sinners / Christ Jesus died to save us from our sin, guilt natures.  Athesitic-our-Creator-God-denying god-men / women.  Worshipers of themselves and their chosen gods.


d_p_m: You are aware, are you not, that likely most of the people who accept the truth of evolution are not atheists at all, but one or another kind of theist, including Christians?


And a lot of us don't 'hate the bible'... in most cases we wouldn't even think of it from one end of the month to the other, nor would we really think about your 'god'. It's just not significant enough.



iama:  Since God-Son incarnated, our rejecting Christ Jesus as Savior and Lord / unbelieving regarding Christ Jesus as God-Son come in the flesh, is the ultimate sin.  If one is not loving The God revealed through the pages of The Bible, one is hating The God revealed through the pages of The Bible.


Jhn 16:8-11
"And when He (God-Holy Spirit) is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on Me; Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and you see Me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 12:25PM #64
amcolph
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Jul 18, 2012 -- 12:19PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


 


iama:  Since God-Son incarnated, our rejecting Christ Jesus as Savior and Lord / unbelieving regarding Christ Jesus as God-Son come in the flesh, is the ultimate sin.  If one is not loving The God revealed through the pages of The Bible, one is hating The God revealed through the pages of The Bible.


Jhn 16:8-11
"And when He (God-Holy Spirit) is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on Me; Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and you see Me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."


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Which has nothing to do with the present discussion,


unless


you think you are the only person qualified to interpret that revelation of God in the Bible.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 12:29PM #65
Sigmund
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Jul 18, 2012 -- 12:19PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:25PM, d_p_m wrote:


iama:  They hate our Creator-God, The Bible, and Genesis!  Their humanism / elevation of man vs their responsibility to our Holy, Righteous Creator-God, because we are lost sinners / Christ Jesus died to save us from our sin, guilt natures.  Athesitic-our-Creator-God-denying god-men / women.  Worshipers of themselves and their chosen gods.


d_p_m: You are aware, are you not, that likely most of the people who accept the truth of evolution are not atheists at all, but one or another kind of theist, including Christians?


And a lot of us don't 'hate the bible'... in most cases we wouldn't even think of it from one end of the month to the other, nor would we really think about your 'god'. It's just not significant enough.



iama:  Since God-Son incarnated, our rejecting Christ Jesus as Savior and Lord / unbelieving regarding Christ Jesus as God-Son come in the flesh, is the ultimate sin.  If one is not loving The God revealed through the pages of The Bible, one is hating The God revealed through the pages of The Bible.



Logical Fallacy? Yep. False dilemma. On so many different levels.


Not loving God does not equal hating God


Not loving the God of YOUR INTERPRETATION of the Bible is not hating God


Not agreeing with you is not hating God.


Agreeing with you is not loving God.


Not agreeing with CMI is not hating God.



Jhn 16:8-11
"And when He (God-Holy Spirit) is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on Me; Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and you see Me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."




Again, not agreeing with you does not mean someone does not believe in God.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 1:04PM #66
iamachildofhis
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:43PM, Mesothet wrote:



Misothet: Iama, do you then assume that concretely objective reality is a “Lie”? Even those who maintain the reality of Maya (illusion) do not assert that truthfully conveyed perceptions of physical reality are a “lie”. Organic evolution is fully part of physical reality. I could expand this at length: e.g. why then hold any degree of credence in the reality of DNA, not to even speak of a solid planet, a body that feels, the very physical sensations of pain or pleasure that one may experience. . . etc.? Man would I love for you to answer my question.


iama:  You are living in some ethereal realm in clouds of unreality / speculative philosophy...


Misothet: Iama, I was being polite--not rude. Pagan to the bone though I am, I dully admire Jesus Christ (as I admire the Budda) for his kindness, wisdom, and courage, among other noble attributes. 


Niether have you answered my sincere question of your beliefs as to what "reality" is nor have you give any other impression other than one of ignorance and fear--this via your immature retaliation. This ethereal realm of "concrete objectivity" and "biological evolution"--last I recal--is considered reality by most. 


Please try to diplomatically reply to my questions: Do you assume that concretely objective reality (or any part of it) is a "lie"?



iama:  If I were to pinch you, you would feel pain.  That is evidence of your reality. Your reaction to my post is evidence of the reality of your human-soul.  Your expression of your beliefs is evidence of your reality human-spirit.


The Lie is what human beings ARE without Christ Jesus being their Savior / Redeemer from our sinner natures.


The Creation exists as The REALITY in which we, human beings, exist.  The Creation is NOT A LIE.  The counterfeit paradigm, evolution, is The Lie regarding origins, and is a clever Satan-counterfeit, which has taken the minds of human beings like a firestorm.  Satan is in competition with our Creator-God for the human beings whom our Creator-God has created for Himself. 


We, human beings, can be LIVING A LIE.


The Lie which I refer to on these forums is the theory of evolution, which is a counterfeit of the true origins paradigm, The Creation.


Satan exists in the eternal realm, and he has access to human beings' spirits, minds, through which he controls, motivates, lures, entices our human being fallen natures / our lusts.


The Lie of evolution has polluted the society via the nation's education systems, the media, politics, churches, etc., and we are reaping its fruits in the society: suicides, murders, drugs, free sex, pornography, riots, street people, no incentive to work, undisciplined children, single parent families, divorce, promiscuity, Christian's persecuted, Ten Commandments removed from public places, Christian symbols objected to, paganism increasing, riots, academic standards lowered, science stymied, churches lost regarding The Truth, churches empty, pastors promoting evolution vs creation, youth not in Sunday School, hopelessness, men have lost their place in society, women replacing and controlling in the work place, marriage no longer sacred, biblical, for life, commitment, disobedience of children, children ruling the home - the parents, latch-key-kids, immoral movies, films, TV programs, songs depraved, Bible Schools / colleges / seminaries teaching evolution, presuppositions atheistic, worldviews Godless, human beings searching all religions looking for peace, hope, love.


The society is fallen and sick.


That is the reality in which we exist.


Human beings are physical bodies, societal souls and spiritual spirits.  That is the reality of who we are.


There is an eternal God, existing in His uncreated realm, and He has created The Creation / the reality in which we exit. 


The first human being chose to disobey his / our Creator-God, and chose, instead to believe the enemy of our Creator-God and FELL from his perfection, as he was originally created by his / our Creator-God. 


Therefore, since our human-federal-head fell, we, in him, also, fell from that original "very good" reality existence, and became sinners, eternally, separated from our Creator-God.


Our Creator-God redeemed fallen human beings, when He became a man / the God-Man, Christ Jesus.  He died our death, and is waiting to impute to us His eternal righteousness, that we might be reconciled to God.


This is the eternal reality which our Creator-God desires for His created human beings. 


Reality exists:


1. in righteousness for all who are "in Christ Jesus"


2. in unrighteousness for all who are not "in Christ Jesus"


3. in The Creation which is, also, fallen


4. in a future The Creation which will, also, be restored to its original "very good" reality


5. in the eternal realm, where our Creator-God is preparing homes for His believers


6. in the eternal realm, where our Creator-God has prepared an eternal place for His un-believers.


It seems to me from reading your posts, that you prefer to dwell in the regions of your thinking.  The Bible is where Truth is revealed as The Person of our Creator-God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit.


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 1:10PM #67
iamachildofhis
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Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:43PM, MMarcoe wrote:



iama: I don't need to "wonder," because I already know!  Those who BELIEVE the ToE are anti- The Bible-Genesis Creation Account, and they HATE The God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit revealed by The Bible, and they desire to, humanistically,  "go their own way."


MMarcoe: Then why are they the ones who have made the most progress promoting human rights and peace on earth in the last 150 years?


You Bible-worshippers hate human rights. You hate people. You hate progress. You hate GOD.



iama:  Humanism is what you describe.  Humanism is anti-God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit!


Love for human beings must begin with love for our Creator-God, and that means coming into UNITY with our Creator-God and His purposes.


The goals of humanism are NOT the goals of our Creator-God as He has revealed Himself and His eternal plan - His revelation of Himself and His love purposes for those who come into UNITY WITH Himself.


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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 1:19PM #68
Ken
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Jul 18, 2012 -- 1:10PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:43PM, MMarcoe wrote:

iama: I don't need to "wonder," because I already know!  Those who BELIEVE the ToE are anti- The Bible-Genesis Creation Account, and they HATE The God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit revealed by The Bible, and they desire to, humanistically,  "go their own way."


Then why are they the ones who have made the most progress promoting human rights and peace on earth in the last 150 years?


You Bible-worshippers hate human rights. You hate people. You hate progress. You hate GOD.



Humanism is what you describe.  Humanism is anti-God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit!



Then you concede that it is humanists who have made the most progress promoting human rights and peace on earth in the last 150 years. Not the superstitious thugs and hooligans of Christian fundamentalism. That being the case, who cares if they're anti-God? They're good and your beloved fundies aren't.

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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 1:36PM #69
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Jul 18, 2012 -- 12:04PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 17, 2012 -- 11:15PM, d_p_m wrote:


iama: The author states that the ToE is finished, because of what is, now,  known.



d_p_m: The author is another 'not-scientist' writing a mass market fundamentalist apologetics book disguised as science. When will you learn to tell real science and real scientists from the fakes?


iama:  I assume, then, being the good scientist that you are, that you have read his book, BEFORE you critique it, here!


d_p_m: If a lawyer writes a book claiming the earth is 6,000 years old, or an engineer writes a book claiming a global flood caused the asteroids, or a medical doctor wrote a book claiming that ID is a more credible scientific theory than evolution, I don't have to read the book to know that it's garbage, because I know a fair bit about science.


I also know that engineers, lawyers, professional creationists and doctors are not scientists.



iama:  According to that same mode of thinking, then, your "I know a fair bit about science," doesn't make you a scientist!




Of course not. I am not a scientist - I only have the equivalent of two undergraduate university degrees in science. That's not nearly enough qualification to actually be a scientist... but it is enough to let me recognize science, and scientists, when I see and/or read them.

"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."

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“Extinguished theologians lie about the cradle of every science as the strangled snakes beside that of Hercules; and history records that whenever science and orthodoxy have been fairly opposed, the latter has been forced to retire from the lists, bleeding and crushed if not annihilated; scotched, if not slain.”

― Thomas Henry Huxley, Lay Sermons, Addresses, and Reviews


“The science, the art, the jurisprudence, the chief political and social theories, of the modern world have grown out of Greece and Rome—not by favour of, but in the teeth of, the fundamental teachings of early Christianity, to which science, art, and any serious occupation with the things of this world were alike despicable.”

― Thomas Henry Huxley, Agnosticism and Christianity and Other Essays
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2 years ago  ::  Jul 18, 2012 - 1:44PM #70
amcolph
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Jul 18, 2012 -- 1:04PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


The Lie of evolution has polluted the society via the nation's education systems, the media, politics, churches, etc., and we are reaping its fruits in the society: suicides, murders, drugs, free sex, pornography, riots, street people, no incentive to work, undisciplined children, single parent families, divorce, promiscuity, Christian's persecuted, Ten Commandments removed from public places, Christian symbols objected to, paganism increasing, riots, academic standards lowered, science stymied, churches lost regarding The Truth, churches empty, pastors promoting evolution vs creation, youth not in Sunday School, hopelessness, men have lost their place in society, women replacing and controlling in the work place, marriage no longer sacred, biblical, for life, commitment, disobedience of children, children ruling the home - the parents, latch-key-kids, immoral movies, films, TV programs, songs depraved, Bible Schools / colleges / seminaries teaching evolution, presuppositions atheistic, worldviews Godless, human beings searching all religions looking for peace, hope, love.


 





You left off high gas prices, reality TV, and our inability to come up with a decent college football playoff scheme.

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