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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 4:04AM #1
Ed_3
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I'm not advocating creation or evolution, however, I would like to ask creationists: Why would God create one species of animals(namely apes) to be so similar to humans?

Compared to any other creature in the animal kingdom, apes look more humans, they move more like humans, and walk more like humans compared to any other species of animals.

Plus, their DNA is closer to human DNA compared to than any other animal specie.

Therefore, from a creationist's point of view, why is this so?

Also, others may participate in this thread.

And BTW, here is an article that has some interesting scienticfic information about the similarty between apes and humans.

Thank you in advance for your participation.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 4:11AM #2
Ed_3
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Also, here is another article that features the similarity between humans and apes.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 8:43AM #3
57
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From your article:


Humans uniquely have complex vocal chords, allowing us a great range of sounds, but preventing us from drinking and breathing simultaneously like chimpanzees can. Moreover, we have very muscular tongues and lips, allowing us accurate manipulations of our voices. This is why we have pointy chins whereas chimps have receding chins – we attach our many lip muscles to the prominent lower chin, but chimpanzees lack many of these muscles and so do not need a protruding chin.



.....How did the random extremely rare so-called beneficial mutations have the ability to occur in just the portion portion of DNA at just the right time responsible for the many morphological changes mentioned above...over and over again, many, many times?


It's quite obvious despite the similarities.....evolutionism wasn't at work. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 9:01AM #4
amcolph
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Jun 25, 2012 -- 8:43AM, 57 wrote:


 



.....How did the random extremely rare so-called beneficial mutations have the ability to occur in just the portion portion of DNA at just the right time responsible for the many morphological changes mentioned above...over and over again, many, many times?


 





 


The same old crap over and over again and you still have made no effort at all to learn what the theory of evolution actually says.


How do you know the changes were only caused by mutations?


"Just the portion" implies point mutations.  How do you know only point mutations were involved?


How do you know that "many, many" mutations were required?


See, you don't know your fanny from a hot rock about the theory of evolution and you don't want to learn.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 9:29AM #5
McAtheist
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OMG, 57!


Mainstream science has tens of thousands of researchers, millions of man-hours of study, reams and reams and reams of supporting data, experiments that can be replicated testing competing hypotheses and detailed information being disseminated through peer-reviewed journals and YECism has ........




FINGER PUPPETS!


ROTFLMAO! 


There must be a required course in all YEC churches: How to Make a Complete Fool of Yourself in Public while Simultaneously Proving without Question that You Know Absolutely Nothing about Science.


One thing you can say for the YEC team --- they sure are consistent.


Laughing

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 9:46AM #6
McAtheist
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And even in his nursery school level story hour, 57 failed to actually answer the question of why humans are more like chimps and gorillas than they are like dogs or cats or monkeys. 


#1.   57 includes the common YEC lie that to accept evolution is to "strip out creator of the glory of his work."  Acceptance of evolution does not equal atheism.  That's why the majority of Christians have no problem accepting mainstream science as the best explanation for how the world works and believing that everything being explained is the result of the glory of god's work.


So, since lying is very unChristian-like behavior, 57, why do continue to spread this lie?  Is there some reason you are unable to learn the very simple fact that the majority of theists in the world also accept an old Earth and evolution?  Are you even Christian --- by their fruits you shall know them, your book says, and I'm pretty sure that constantly and deliberately bearing false witness against your neighbor is fruit from Satan's tree, not Jesus'.


#2.  The question in the OP is why humans  would be more like apes than like any other animals.  Why are chimps more like humans than they are like monkeys?  Chimps and humans are 10 times more similar than mice and rats.  All you "explained" is why all life coming from common ancestors are generally similar.


Maybe in your next performance, you can address the actually point of the OP.


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 9:50AM #7
McAtheist
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57: Humans uniquely have complex vocal chords, allowing us a great range of sounds, but preventing us from drinking and breathing simultaneously like chimpanzees can. Moreover, we have very muscular tongues and lips, allowing us accurate manipulations of our voices. This is why we have pointy chins whereas chimps have receding chins – we attach our many lip muscles to the prominent lower chin, but chimpanzees lack many of these muscles and so do not need a protruding chin.


.....How did the random extremely rare so-called beneficial mutations have the ability to occur in just the portion portion of DNA at just the right time responsible for the many morphological changes mentioned above...over and over again, many, many times?


And what kind of vocal cords, etc. did the population from which both chimps and humans evolved have, 57?  Please post the scientific references supporting your answer to my question.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 11:33AM #8
JCarlin
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Jun 25, 2012 -- 8:43AM, 57 wrote:

From your article:


Humans uniquely have complex vocal chords, allowing us a great range of sounds...



Thanks for checking out the article. 


Now, spend a couple of years learning the genetics of transcription factors, and then study the FOXP2 transcription factor responsible for vocalizations in most vertibrates including humans, birds, mice, etc.  It seems that a single modification in that transcription factor is responsible for human vocalization.  While it is not definitive yet, it is a better theory than magic. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 1:52PM #9
MMarcoe
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Jun 25, 2012 -- 4:04AM, Ed_3 wrote:

I'm not advocating creation or evolution, however, I would like to ask creationists: Why would God create one species of animals(namely apes) to be so similar to humans?

Compared to any other creature in the animal kingdom, apes look more humans, they move more like humans, and walk more like humans compared to any other species of animals.

Plus, their DNA is closer to human DNA compared to than any other animal specie.

Therefore, from a creationist's point of view, why is this so?

Also, others may participate in this thread.

And BTW, here is an article that has some interesting scienticfic information about the similarty between apes and humans.

Thank you in advance for your participation.




Good luck getting an answer from these people. They don't actually have one. What they do is avoid the question and try to throw it back at you.


If you press them on it, they will eventually accuse you of trying to make God in your own image.


But they don't know any actual science.


 

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 25, 2012 - 2:26PM #10
Midutch
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Jun 25, 2012 -- 8:43AM, 57 wrote:

It's quite obvious despite the similarities.....evolutionism wasn't at work.


Bummer for you that you "fundamentalist christian creationists" have been unable to demonstrate this despite 150+ years worth of effort.


Just go ahead and add that to the other 1850+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE you guys have accumulated.

"creationism" ... 2000+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE ... and proud of it.
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