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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 1:10PM #51
iamachildofhis
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Jun 2, 2012 -- 7:06PM, rsielin wrote:



Jun 2, 2012 -- 3:40PM, Thetanager wrote:

Thetanager: ... what specific point(s) from the article support evolution against alternative views?  I'm not saying there aren't any, I'm just trying to pinpoint the connection you are making.  Is it that the skull shapes are the same or something else?


The hypothesis is that modern birds are descendants of dinosaurs. There is an accumulating body of evidence now supporting that hypothesis.


rsielin: The above research on skulls provides additional evidence for another credible pathway leading from dinosaurs to modern birds. It's one more piece of corroborating evidence to be added to the accumulating body of knowledge supporting the hypothesis. 


If you're interested here's some links:


Science Daily: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/12...


Professional peer review research published in the journal Nature: www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurr...



iama: The Scientific Method of Investigation requires reality observation regarding the hypothesis.  There is absolutely no observation POSSIBLE for what the hypothesis is claiming.  SPECULATION only, based upon collected, current remains.  There is no evidence which is observational regarding reproductive relationship in ACTUALITY!


The Bible states that birds were created BEFORE land animals!  That statement / claim was made by The Creator-God of birds and dinosaurs.


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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 1:13PM #52
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Jun 2, 2012 -- 7:10PM, d_p_m wrote:



d_p_m: Or to look at it another way, this is phenotypical information indicating a probable link between the dinosaur genotypes and avian genotypes.



iama:  Note your SPECULATION-terminology, "probable link."


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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 1:22PM #53
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 1:13PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jun 2, 2012 -- 7:10PM, d_p_m wrote:



d_p_m: Or to look at it another way, this is phenotypical information indicating a probable link between the dinosaur genotypes and avian genotypes.



iama:  Note your SPECULATION-terminology, "probable link."


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A probable link with evidence which supports it.


You don't even have 'probable' to support your claims and no evidence whatever.


Who ya gonna call?

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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 1:57PM #54
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 1:10PM, iamachildofhis wrote:

iama: The Scientific Method of Investigation requires reality observation regarding the hypothesis.  There is absolutely no observation POSSIBLE for what the hypothesis is claiming.  SPECULATION only, based upon collected, current remains.  There is no evidence which is observational regarding reproductive relationship in ACTUALITY!


Clear evidence you don't know what you're talking about with respect to any real science. Good example of intellectual naiveté.

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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 2:57PM #55
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 1:13PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jun 2, 2012 -- 7:10PM, d_p_m wrote:


d_p_m: Or to look at it another way, this is phenotypical information indicating a probable link between the dinosaur genotypes and avian genotypes.



iama:  Note your SPECULATION-terminology, "probable link."




Rather, note the science style terminology which does not make inflated claims of spurious infallibility, unlike non-science pronouncements which are commonly bandied about as "absolute truth".


Please note that a thousand pieces of independant evidence probable at the .95 level mean less than one chance in a billion, billion, billion, billion (repeat billion a hundred more times) billion of being wrong.

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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 4:44PM #56
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TT,


Further to the remarks I made on the philosophy of science and the methodology of science, I came across this succinct explanation while reading a critique of a piece of tripe linked by one of our resident YECs. It very nicely explains one of the crucial aspects of scientific hypotheses, which are a step toward estabilishing theories:



"There is no conceivable evidence that could, even in principle, refute the notion that everything happens as a result of an unconstrained, very powerful "designer". This is because such an entity can be invoked to explain any evidence whatsoever. Real scientific hypotheses have to be vulnerable to evidence. It must be possible to imagine evidence that would undermine them (see Pennock 1999, ch 6, for an extensive discussion). This is not the case for a mysterious "intelligent designer" of nature so unspecified that one cannot even make predictions about what one would expect to observe if it existed."



-- ncse.com/rncse/25/1-2/review-privileged-...


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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 6:42PM #57
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Jun 4, 2012 -- 2:18PM, Thetanager wrote:



Thetanager: But, taking only the evidence of this article, doesn't this evidence fit into each theory...convergent evolution, common ancestry, theistic evolution, 6 day creationism, intelligent (pixie) design?  I'm not seeing why this evidence does not fit all the above theories equally.



iama: It all depends upon which SPECULATION best fits the data!


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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 7:08PM #58
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 6:42PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jun 4, 2012 -- 2:18PM, Thetanager wrote:



Thetanager: But, taking only the evidence of this article, doesn't this evidence fit into each theory...convergent evolution, common ancestry, theistic evolution, 6 day creationism, intelligent (pixie) design?  I'm not seeing why this evidence does not fit all the above theories equally.



iama: It all depends upon which SPECULATION best fits the data!


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Speculation? That's something that Creationists do. Scientists deal with evidence and facts. Evolution is a very uncontroversial and complete science, supported by a mountain of evidence, obervations and facts.


Creationism is supported by an irrational devotion to ancient myth concocted by ignorant desert dwelling goatherds.

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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 8:57PM #59
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"The Bible states that birds were created BEFORE land animals!  That statement / claim was made by The Creator-God of birds and dinosaurs."


No, that "statement / claim" was made by a bunch of guys long ago cobbling thgether a bunch of stories.

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6 years ago  ::  Jun 14, 2012 - 10:16PM #60
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Jun 14, 2012 -- 1:10PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


The Bible states that birds were created BEFORE land animals!  That statement / claim was made by The Creator-God of birds and dinosaurs.


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God would never say something so false. So you must conclude that Satan wrote the creation story.

1. Extremists think that thinking means agreeing with them.
2. There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.
3. God is the original nothingness of the universe.
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