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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 7:58PM #161
upsala81
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I think what I'm saying is that if life can be created in a process totally different than how we know life does exist, then we're actually inventing life. That is up one level.


I hope that before I leave this world we find extraterrestrial life of some sort.  I'd be fascinated to see how much the elements of life on this planet are really essential.


Would for instance DNA be required, or could another self replicating molecule work? and so on...

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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 8:49PM #162
d_p_m
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Designing and building life forms will just be another technology.

"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."

― Niels Bohr



"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

-- Albert Einstein
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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 11:47PM #163
teilhard
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If one, say, successfully transplants a Brand-New Chevy Engine into an old Studebaker one has indeed come up with a Novelty ... But it's NOT the SAME Thing as inventing a whole new-improved BMW from The Wheels and Tires on-up ...


May 31, 2012 -- 5:33PM, rsielin wrote:


May 31, 2012 -- 2:13PM, williejhonlo wrote:

I remember a tv interview with him and some other scientist at the time of his achievement, no one was claiming he created life.


It has been referred to as creating "synthetic life". 


Mr T wants to stubbornly discount this achievement because an existing vesicle was used. And he insists by his "authority" that this particular vesicle is a requirement. He's closed his mind, I'm still open and interested. Who knows what we'll eventually find from the Sargasso Sea?







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2 years ago  ::  May 31, 2012 - 11:58PM #164
rsielin
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May 31, 2012 -- 11:47PM, teilhard wrote:

If one, say, successfully transplants a Brand-New Chevy Engine into an old Studebaker one has indeed come up with a Novelty ... But it's NOT the SAME Thing as inventing a whole new-improved BMW from The Wheels and Tires on-up ...


Not only a closed mind, but a slamed door and tossing the key aside to boot. LOL


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:31AM #165
teilhard
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Hey ... !!!  My first Car was a 1962 Studebaker and my second (one of my all-Time FAVORITES) was a '58 Chevy ... The Studebaker DIED and I gave the Chevy to a dear Friend ... 


What's your Problem ... ???  Why so NEGATIVE ... ???


May 31, 2012 -- 11:58PM, rsielin wrote:


May 31, 2012 -- 11:47PM, teilhard wrote:

If one, say, successfully transplants a Brand-New Chevy Engine into an old Studebaker one has indeed come up with a Novelty ... But it's NOT the SAME Thing as inventing a whole new-improved BMW from The Wheels and Tires on-up ...


Not only a closed mind, but a slamed door and tossing the key aside to boot. LOL






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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:42AM #166
rsielin
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Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:31AM, teilhard wrote:

Hey ... !!!  My first Car was a 1962 Studebaker and my second (one of my all-Time FAVORITES) was a '58 Chevy ... The Studebaker DIED and I gave the Chevy to a dear Friend ... 


What's your Problem ... ???  Why so NEGATIVE ... ???


Not negative at all. I drive a 1931 Ford Model A Victoria Coupe. Couldn't be happier. :)


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:43AM #167
teilhard
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But NOT "from Scratch" ... It will be re-Arrangement and re-Combination of existing Parts ...


May 31, 2012 -- 8:49PM, d_p_m wrote:


Designing and building life forms will just be another technology.





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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:46AM #168
Oncomintrain
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...For now. It isn't as though there is something intrinsically impossible about starting from the ground up. We just don't have the technology for it yet.


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:43AM, teilhard wrote:


But NOT "from Scratch" ... It will be re-Arrangement and re-Combination of existing Parts ...


May 31, 2012 -- 8:49PM, d_p_m wrote:


Designing and building life forms will just be another technology.









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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:46AM #169
teilhard
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There's a Shop in our Neighborhood that specializes in minutely perfect Restoration of Old Cars ... It is  a THRILL to stop in once in a while and see these Guys at work and hear them explain what they're doing ... They not infrequently manufacture new/old Parts then and there ... 


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:42AM, rsielin wrote:


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:31AM, teilhard wrote:

Hey ... !!!  My first Car was a 1962 Studebaker and my second (one of my all-Time FAVORITES) was a '58 Chevy ... The Studebaker DIED and I gave the Chevy to a dear Friend ... 


What's your Problem ... ???  Why so NEGATIVE ... ???


Not negative at all. I drive a 1931 Ford Model A Victoria Coupe. Couldn't be happier. :)






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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:47AM #170
rsielin
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Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:43AM, teilhard wrote:

But NOT "from Scratch" ... It will be re-Arrangement and re-Combination of existing Parts ...


All of evolution is a re-arrangement and re-combination of existing parts. What evidence do you present that says abiogenesis must be different? 


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