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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:48AM #171
Oncomintrain
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From scratch? Or do they use metal that already exists?


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:46AM, teilhard wrote:


There's a Shop in our Neighborhood that specializes in minutely perfect Restoration of Old Cars ... It is  a THRILL to stop in once in a while and see these Guys at work and hear them explain what they're doing ... They not infrequently manufacture new/old Parts then and there ... 



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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 12:49AM #172
rsielin
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Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:46AM, teilhard wrote:

There's a Shop in our Neighborhood that specializes in minutely perfect Restoration of Old Cars ... It is  a THRILL to stop in once in a while and see these Guys at work and hear them explain what they're doing ... They not infrequently manufacture new/old Parts then and there ... 


True, I've whittled many an exapted part to perform a necessary function. 


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:07AM #173
teilhard
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Ummmm ... What Venter did was NOT "abiogenesis" ...


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:47AM, rsielin wrote:


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:43AM, teilhard wrote:

But NOT "from Scratch" ... It will be re-Arrangement and re-Combination of existing Parts ...


All of evolution is a re-arrangement and re-combination of existing parts. What evidence do you present that says abiogenesis must be different? 






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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 8:09AM #174
teilhard
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LOL ... Yes, they do use Metal that came from:


"The Big Bang" ---> Stellar Nuclear Synthesis ---> Planetary Processes ---> Mining and Refining ...


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:48AM, Oncomintrain wrote:


From scratch? Or do they use metal that already exists?


Jun 1, 2012 -- 12:46AM, teilhard wrote:


There's a Shop in our Neighborhood that specializes in minutely perfect Restoration of Old Cars ... It is  a THRILL to stop in once in a while and see these Guys at work and hear them explain what they're doing ... They not infrequently manufacture new/old Parts then and there ... 







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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 9:00AM #175
rsielin
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Jun 1, 2012 -- 8:07AM, teilhard wrote:

Ummmm ... What Venter did was NOT "abiogenesis" ... 


True, re-creating life would not be abiogenesis; it would just be revealing a legitimate pathway; a re-arrangement and re-combination of existing parts, so to speak.


Why do you discredit Venter for exaptation when nature employs it all the time? Isn't it just a matter of degrees? Or could it be professional envy?


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 9:08AM #176
teilhard
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I think indeed that the Line between "Life" and non-"Life" is very fuzzy indeed ... Viruses and Prions, e.g., are certainly NOT "Alive," but they are on a very fuzzy Border-Land ...


But ... again ... I several Times (below) indicated that Venter's Work is indeed a SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT ... There's NO "Discredit" there .... 


(But as to Venter having used "preadapatation" ... ??? I don't think so ...)


Jun 1, 2012 -- 9:00AM, rsielin wrote:


Jun 1, 2012 -- 8:07AM, teilhard wrote:

Ummmm ... What Venter did was NOT "abiogenesis" ... 


True, re-creating life would not be abiogenesis; it would just be revealing a legitimate pathway; a re-arrangement and re-combination of existing parts, so to speak.


Why do you discredit Venter for exaptation when nature employs it all the time? Isn't it just a matter of degrees? Or could it be professional envy?






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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 9:14AM #177
rsielin
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Jun 1, 2012 -- 9:08AM, teilhard wrote:

Venter's Work is indeed a SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT ... There's NO "Discredit" there .... 


But the cigar ... my irritation is all about the cigar. Give the man his cigar already!



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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 9:21AM #178
teilhard
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What Venter smokes is none of my Business, obviously ...


How about a "Tiparillo" .. ???


Jun 1, 2012 -- 9:14AM, rsielin wrote:


Jun 1, 2012 -- 9:08AM, teilhard wrote:

Venter's Work is indeed a SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT ... There's NO "Discredit" there .... 


But the cigar ... my irritation is all about the cigar. Give the man his cigar already!







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2 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2012 - 9:30AM #179
rsielin
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Jun 1, 2012 -- 9:21AM, teilhard wrote:

How about a "Tiparillo" .. ??? 


Okay. Thanks. I feel much better now.


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