Signature in the Cell.

McAtheist

Posts: 6,289

57: Apples and oranges...your reply is off topic.

Not at all.

You made the claim that an undirected natural process can not make "amazing use" of information. I pointed out that a different undirected natural process involving light not only makes "amazing use" of current information, but of also seemingly uses information from the past and the future. According to the "logic" you posted, then, photons make intelligent decisions.

Again, to use your question from your post: how does YECism "empirically get around such amazing use of information" BY "an undirected process?"

More, I again point out that you haven't offered the slightest "empirical evidence" that complexity requires a designer, just your personal opinion that this must be so. And really, your uninformed opinion on this matter carries no weight at all.

How much more on-topic can I be than illuminating that your claim of "empirical evidence" is bogus and illustrating how scientifically silly your conclusion is?

To reiterate: As is always the case when YECs make psuedo-scientific claims, YECism fails.

EarthScientist

Posts: 3,298

Apr 30, 2012 -- 5:28PM, 57 wrote:

Apples and oranges...your reply is off topic.

The irony of this coming from tthe topic-changing direct question-avoiding master is priceless.

wohali

Posts: 10,093

ES:

"The irony of this coming from tthe topic-changing direct question-avoiding master is priceless."

Bears repeating!

Midutch

Posts: 2,301

Apr 30, 2012 -- 5:28PM, 57 wrote:
Apples and oranges...your reply is off topic.

Says the guy who's obnoxiously ridiculous "argument" is almost always off topic for the thread into which he interjects it.

Yeah, you know which one it is.

"creationism" ... 2000+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE ... and proud of it.

Sigmund

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Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:11AM, 57 wrote:

Sure it is evidence. Did you actually watch the video and see the process required to fold the protein in the precise shape? How does an undirected process account for this?

Most likely by the same evolutionary process as everything else. Several different ways of protein folding arose via mutations and the one that exists now is the one that offered the best repoductive advantage.

Are you ever going to answer this question on the thread YOU started?

How do stars burn up all their available fuel and explode to form supernova remnants in only a few thousand years? Please provide any available evidence for your claim.

Kwinters

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Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:15AM, 57 wrote:

Here is a short 3:35 video that ask...where did the information come from?

Click here to watch video.

How do those that have faith in evolutionism explain these chain of events through a process of undirected mutations and natural selection?

Considering they can't...they must claim Intelligent design is not science. It's their only hope.

Here is a hint: the video says that chemicals function AS IF characters in a language or code. That does not mean they ARE characters. That does not mean they carry information. They are chemicals. People who don't know better mistake AS IF for IS. They should learn more about chemistry.

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57

Posts: 16,351

May 1, 2012 -- 7:04PM, Kwinters wrote:

Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:15AM, 57 wrote:

Here is a short 3:35 video that ask...where did the information come from?

Click here to watch video.

How do those that have faith in evolutionism explain these chain of events through a process of undirected mutations and natural selection?

Considering they can't...they must claim Intelligent design is not science. It's their only hope.

Here is a hint: the video says that chemicals function AS IF characters in a language or code. That does not mean they ARE characters. That does not mean they carry information. They are chemicals. People who don't know better mistake AS IF for IS. They should learn more about chemistry.

Get real Kwinters. Next thing you'll be telling me the information stored on a disk really isn't information but magnetized bits.

57

Posts: 16,351

May 1, 2012 -- 10:27AM, Sigmund wrote:

Apr 29, 2012 -- 9:11AM, 57 wrote:

Sure it is evidence. Did you actually watch the video and see the process required to fold the protein in the precise shape? How does an undirected process account for this?

Most likely by the same evolutionary process as everything else. Several different ways of protein folding arose via mutations and the one that exists now is the one that offered the best repoductive advantage.

Would you care to show how that is possible? Currently all you have is a claim.

Are you ever going to answer this question on the thread YOU started?

How do stars burn up all their available fuel and explode to form supernova remnants in only a few thousand years? Please provide any available evidence for your claim.

This thread is about cells. Not stars.

d_p_m

Posts: 7,603

May 10, 2012 -- 10:28AM, 57 wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 7:04PM, Kwinters wrote:

Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:15AM, 57 wrote:

Here is a short 3:35 video that ask...where did the information come from?

Click here to watch video.

How do those that have faith in evolutionism explain these chain of events through a process of undirected mutations and natural selection?

Considering they can't...they must claim Intelligent design is not science. It's their only hope.

Here is a hint: the video says that chemicals function AS IF characters in a language or code. That does not mean they ARE characters. That does not mean they carry information. They are chemicals. People who don't know better mistake AS IF for IS. They should learn more about chemistry.

Get real Kwinters. Next thing you'll be telling me the information stored on a disk really isn't information but magnetized bits.

Kristi knows what she is talking about, 57, and we all understand that.... except you, somehow.

Look at her post again, and reflect on the meaning of the language. She is right, and you are wrong.

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amcolph

Posts: 13,389

May 10, 2012 -- 10:28AM, 57 wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 7:04PM, Kwinters wrote:

Apr 29, 2012 -- 8:15AM, 57 wrote:

Here is a short 3:35 video that ask...where did the information come from?

Click here to watch video.

How do those that have faith in evolutionism explain these chain of events through a process of undirected mutations and natural selection?

Considering they can't...they must claim Intelligent design is not science. It's their only hope.

Here is a hint: the video says that chemicals function AS IF characters in a language or code. That does not mean they ARE characters. That does not mean they carry information. They are chemicals. People who don't know better mistake AS IF for IS. They should learn more about chemistry.

Get real Kwinters. Next thing you'll be telling me the information stored on a disk really isn't information but magnetized bits.

Poor old Shannon must be turning over in his grave. Can you define information, 57?

Here's a hint: the definition is mathematical.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantities_of_info...

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