Post Reply
Page 5 of 9  •  Prev 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 ... 9 Next
Switch to Forum Live View The case for non-intelligent design
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 2:58AM #41
steven_guy
Posts: 11,751

Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 It's not enough, you just believe it is. How is it known that life should be abundant elsewhere in the universe, inorder for intelligent design to have happened?



The earth may well be the only planet in the universe where multicellular life exists. There may be other places where it exists. Most of the universe is made up of dark matter and the debris left over - galaxies, nebulae, stars and planets accounts for a small fraction of what is left. 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% is entirely inhospitable to life.


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 How is it known that 99.9% of all the species that have ever existed on earth should not be extinct



99.9999% percent of the species that ever existed ARE extinct, as we will be one day. 


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 inorder for intelligent design to have happened?



Evolution has no purpose. The fact that we evolved intelligence is just a fortunate accident for us. It seems very clear that the evolution of sufficient intelligence to develop a technological civilisation is a rare development. It has only happened once on earth in four billion years.


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 There is still billions of species on this earth right now, so I don't need what you believe, I need facts.



There aren't billions of species on earth right now. 




Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 3:08AM #42
steven_guy
Posts: 11,751

Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:

So the universe is not working well enough right now, to sustain the life that is on earth today?



The earth is one insignificant planet. The universe does not "work", it simply is and it is running down into even more disorder.


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:

Shit happens,...but many forms of life still covers the earth.



The biosphere is very small. Be grateful for a small window of opportunity afforded us. "Shit happens" is a value judgement and the universe has no values.


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:

If we have to conclude that a creator hates life



There is no evidence of a "creator". The universe is overwhelmingly hostile to life. 


, then that's all we can do, until there's real actual evidence on how he would or would not form life.



Amino acids form in interstellar nebulae. This is a prosaic development. When the conditions are stable enough, warm enough, wet enough and where there there is energy, selfreplicating molecules and eventually life may develop. 


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:

Like I said before, i'm not saying creation happened but because life is here, the incompetent issue is not strong enough to be the case.



I haven't a clue what that sentence means.


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:

I'm just trying to understand how we would know certain claims.



We know certain things because of observation and scientific research and we can makes some educated guessed based on such research.




Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 10:04AM #43
Ken
Posts: 33,859

Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:29PM, Ken wrote:

The universe does not sustain life. Most of it is totally inhospitable to life, and wherever life occurs the universe loses very little time in destroying it. If there were a designer, one would have to conclude that he hates life.



So the universe is not working well enough right now, to sustain the life that is on earth today?


Right.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 10:41AM #44
ni-cherise
Posts: 94

Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:04AM, Ken wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:29PM, Ken wrote:

The universe does not sustain life. Most of it is totally inhospitable to life, and wherever life occurs the universe loses very little time in destroying it. If there were a designer, one would have to conclude that he hates life.



So the universe is not working well enough right now, to sustain the life that is on earth today?


Right.




 So the universe was designed to kill us,.....well thats it, the creator hates us.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 10:56AM #45
ni-cherise
Posts: 94

Apr 30, 2012 -- 2:58AM, steven_guy wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 It's not enough, you just believe it is. How is it known that life should be abundant elsewhere in the universe, inorder for intelligent design to have happened?



The earth may well be the only planet in the universe where multicellular life exists. There may be other places where it exists. Most of the universe is made up of dark matter and the debris left over - galaxies, nebulae, stars and planets accounts for a small fraction of what is left. 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% is entirely inhospitable to life.


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 How is it known that 99.9% of all the species that have ever existed on earth should not be extinct



99.9999% percent of the species that ever existed ARE extinct, as we will be one day. 


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 inorder for intelligent design to have happened?



Evolution has no purpose. The fact that we evolved intelligence is just a fortunate accident for us.


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:38PM, ni-cherise wrote:

 There is still billions of species on this earth right now, so I don't need what you believe, I need facts.








Your not answering my questions. How is it known that 99.9% of life would not have went extinct if some sort of design happened? How is it known that we would not go extinct one day if some sort of design happened? How is it known that evolution has no purpose? If all life goes extinct one day, so what, it was here and thrived for many many years. I need more than what is believed to be non-intelligent design. You can't overlook the fact that many many forms of life covers the earth right now, so what else do you have for this so-called case of non-intelligent design?


Life is still too abundant on earth, even if for the moment, so I need actual scientific facts on what non-intelligent design is and how man would know exactly what it is. Where is the proof that 99.9% of life should still be here? Where is the proof that life should go on forever? I can't trust what you BELIEVE.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 11:11AM #46
Ken
Posts: 33,859

Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:56AM, ni-cherise wrote:

Your not answering my questions. How is it known that 99.9% of life would not have went extinct if some sort of design happened? How is it known that we would not go extinct one day if some sort of design happened?


Durability is a criterion of good design.


Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:56AM, ni-cherise wrote:

How is it known that evolution has no purpose?


There is no evidence of one.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 11:14AM #47
Ken
Posts: 33,859

Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:41AM, ni-cherise wrote:


Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:04AM, Ken wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:29PM, Ken wrote:

The universe does not sustain life. Most of it is totally inhospitable to life, and wherever life occurs the universe loses very little time in destroying it. If there were a designer, one would have to conclude that he hates life.



So the universe is not working well enough right now, to sustain the life that is on earth today?


Right.




So the universe was designed to kill us,.....well thats it, the creator hates us.



But that's a silly idea. If a creator hated us, he wouldn't have created us in the first place.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 11:18AM #48
ni-cherise
Posts: 94

If "mistakes" in the make up of the universe proves non-intelligent design, I want to know how that is known. What actual evidence supports that belief? If life should not ever go extinct, what evidence supports that belief? If life should exist on other planets, what evidence supports that belief? If the universe should operate with absolute perfection, what evidence supports that belief?


Regardless of all the mistakes, regardless of how chaotic the universe may be, life still exists on earth and has existed for awhile. Yes, in time it will all come to an end, but that only proves that it will end.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 11:20AM #49
ni-cherise
Posts: 94

Apr 30, 2012 -- 11:14AM, Ken wrote:


Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:41AM, ni-cherise wrote:


Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:04AM, Ken wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:49PM, ni-cherise wrote:


Apr 29, 2012 -- 11:29PM, Ken wrote:

The universe does not sustain life. Most of it is totally inhospitable to life, and wherever life occurs the universe loses very little time in destroying it. If there were a designer, one would have to conclude that he hates life.



So the universe is not working well enough right now, to sustain the life that is on earth today?


Right.




So the universe was designed to kill us,.....well thats it, the creator hates us.



But that's a silly idea. If a creator hated us, he wouldn't have created us in the first place.




Well then,..how is it known that life would exist forever if some sort of creation happened?

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 11:25AM #50
ni-cherise
Posts: 94

Apr 30, 2012 -- 11:11AM, Ken wrote:


Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:56AM, ni-cherise wrote:

Your not answering my questions. How is it known that 99.9% of life would not have went extinct if some sort of design happened? How is it known that we would not go extinct one day if some sort of design happened?


Durability is a criterion of good design.


Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:56AM, ni-cherise wrote:

How is it known that evolution has no purpose?


There is no evidence of one.




Okay,..then that means that we should have evidence of what "evolution with purpose" would or would not look like. If everything would be just perfect, where is the evidence that proves that. If life would have evolved on other planets like it did here on earth, where is the evidence that proves that?

Quick Reply
Cancel
Page 5 of 9  •  Prev 1 ... 3 4 5 6 7 ... 9 Next
 
    Viewing this thread :: 0 registered and 1 guest
    No registered users viewing
    Advertisement

    Beliefnet On Facebook