May 31, 2012 -- 7:12AM, rsielin wrote:

iama:  Since the Big Bang speculation, also, has problems with light travel times, which of the proposed solutions did you consider worthwhile investigating?

rsielin: The BB Theory does not have any problems with light travel times. That is in your imagination. 

If you really want to do science, this making stuff up is not going to cut it. You've failed science

iama: Oh? 

Light-travel time: a problem for the big bang

Secular scientists blast the big bang

Following is the from the book, Refuting Evoluton:

"The author, Dr Jonathan Sarfati, is not only a brilliant scientist, but a master of concise, clear communication and logical thinking. He produced this succinct masterpiece in direct response to a book published by the prestigious US National Academy of Sciences—a book meant to teach biology teachers how to teach evolution so that their students would believe it. The NAS gave vast numbers of their book to public schools and other institutions—free of charge. Persuasively and professionally presented, the NAS clearly hoped that their publication would extinguish belief in biblical creation, giving public school teachers all the arguments they needed to counter the growing numbers of creation-believers in their classrooms."

Refuting Evolution - Astronomy

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iama wrote:

> Oh?

Yes.  You can't prove that secular science has a problem with the Big Bang using creationist sources.  To do that you'd have to use secular scientific sources, and you didn't use any.  Your ideas about the Big Bang are formed entirely by reading about it in creationist sources, and those are notoriously dishonest about any area of science that incompatible with their religious views.

In short, if a creationist says something about the Big Bang theory, they're almost certainly lying.  The rest of the time they're mistaken.  The odds that they got it right are negligible.

Oh, and as a side note, I've already explained to you several times why Sarfati isn't a brilliant scientist, is indeed very careless and often mistaken about what other scientists have discovered, and indeed hasn't done any science in decades.  Quoting a creationist puff piece about him does absolutely nothing to cause problems for the Big Bang theory.

May 31, 2012 -- 8:56PM, iamachildofhis wrote:

iama: Oh? 

Light-travel time: a problem for the big bang

Secular scientists blast the big bang

Refuting Evolution - Astronomy

I gave you the science consensus about BB. You gave me stories from a source [creation.com] that everyone knows does positively no science.

If you want to discuss the real physics of BB Theory you will need a legitimate science source. Otherwise whatever you post can justifiably be dismissed as irrelevant. 

May 31, 2012 -- 8:56PM, iamachildofhis wrote:

Following is the from the book, Refuting Evoluton:

"The author, Dr Jonathan Sarfati, is not only a brilliant scientist, but a master of concise, clear communication and logical thinking. He produced this succinct masterpiece

And you believe every sales pitch you read? A pity I don't have swampland in Florida to offload. Or a load of snake oil.

May 31, 2012 -- 9:59PM, steven_guy wrote:

steven_guy: Iamachildofhis,  please explain why we can see three million year old light from the M.31 galaxy with our own eyes if the universe is only six thousand years old?

iama: steven_guy,  I CAN NOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, and neither can any other human being alive, currently!

This is what I do know:

1.  On Day 4 of the Creation Week, our Creator-God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and  years; And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also."

Gen 1:14-19
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

What Genesis 1 tells me is that our Creator-God supernaturally created the sun, moon and stars on Day 4 of the Creation Week.  I have absolutely NO IDEA about how!

Scientists who have studied Astronomy / Physics / Mathematics / etc., have applied their intelligences to the matter.  There, currently, is no accepted understanding for your question.  But, we DO KNOW that, as you state, we can see "the M.31 galaxy with our own eyes."

2.  The heavenly bodies were created having purposes:

-  for signs

- for seasons

- for days

- for years

- sun for day light

- moon for night light

- the honor of our Creator-God is revealed via "the heavens"

- the constellations through which The Sun moves - Zodiac - (by apparent motion as the Earth moves in its orbit around the Sun throughout the YEAR) speak a message which all peoples recognize and attribute messages to.

Psalm 19:1-6
To the Overseer. -- A Psalm of David. The heavens [are] recounting the honour (glory) of God, And the work of His hands The expanse [is] declaring. Day to day uttereth speech, And night to night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech, and there are no words. Their voice hath not been heard. Into all the earth hath their line gone forth, And to the end of the world their sayings, For the sun He placed a tent in them, And he, as a bridegroom, goeth out from his covering, He rejoiceth as a mighty one To run the path. From the end of the heavens [is] his going out, And his revolution [is] unto their ends, And nothing is hid from his heat."

3. The Universe and all things which our Creator-God MADE were given to reveal so that we might KNOW GOD - "by the things which He has made."

Rom 1:18-21
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."

4.  When our Creator-God created the entities of His creation, He created, immediately, having great variety: KINDs of plants, KINDs of avian animals, KINDs of marine animals, KINDs of land animals, variety within the Human Being - Mankind, and the "celestial bodies" - stars, galxies, planets, etc.  The evolutionists speak of evolution of planets, stars, galaxies regarding their origins.  Our Creator-God of "GREAT POWER and Godhead," SPOKE, and it was SO.

1Cr 15:38-44
"But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him, and

- to every seed his own body.

All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is]

- one [kind of] flesh of men,

- another flesh of beasts,

- another of fishes,

- [and] another of birds.

- [There are] also celestial bodies, and

- bodies terrestrial:

- but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and

- [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.

- There is] one glory of the sun, and

- another glory of the moon, and

- another glory of the stars:

- for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

THE CREATION was a supernatural event!

There is no human being who has any understanding of supernatural power.

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