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3 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2012 - 1:21AM #11
McAtheist
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Iam: Dinosaurs, mammals, insects, amphibians, reptiles, birds, beasts of the field, etc., were all created "In the beginning God..." So, all life-form kinds existed on Day 7.


All the evidence strongly contradict this; all the evidence strongly demonstrates that various types of animals were separated by millions of years.  And no, YECS still don't have a viable explanation for why the fossil record is organized the way we find it.  Until such a time as said explanation is discovered and the evidence to support it found, your creation story remains just that: a non-scientific, theological story.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2012 - 1:44PM #12
wohali
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"iama:  You are speaking both evolution paradigm and creation paradigm, here, wohali."


No, I'm not. I'm providing evidence that the fossil record clearly shows that organisms from different epochs are seperated, disproving the bibliodolator's contention that the Earth was createg in 6 days a few thousand years ago.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 4:28PM #13
wohali
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Iama:


"Biblically, the time line is as follows:"


Sorry, I follow a real-world timeline.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 6:28PM #14
wohali
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Fascinating, our creationist friends have no explaination for epoch specific fossil beds other than "post flood".

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 7:04PM #15
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 6:28PM, wohali wrote:


Fascinating, our creationist friends have no explaination for epoch specific fossil beds other than "post flood".



Our creationist friends have no explanation for how babies are born. They think the stork brings them.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 7:57PM #16
Midutch
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 7:04PM, Ken wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 6:28PM, wohali wrote:

Fascinating, our creationist friends have no explaination for epoch specific fossil beds other than "post flood".


Our creationist friends have no explanation for how babies are born. They think the stork brings them.


Maybe it has something to do with, um, that naked chick and the, um, talking, uh, ... "snake".


"creationism" ... 2000+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE ... and proud of it.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:15PM #17
Ken
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 7:57PM, Midutch wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 7:04PM, Ken wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 6:28PM, wohali wrote:

Fascinating, our creationist friends have no explaination for epoch specific fossil beds other than "post flood".


Our creationist friends have no explanation for how babies are born. They think the stork brings them.


Maybe it has something to do with, um, that naked chick and the, um, talking, uh, ... "snake".



There's a Christian here on Beliefnet who thinks the naked chick had sex with the snake. She reads a lot of extra sex into the Bible.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:37PM #18
Midutch
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 8:15PM, Ken wrote:


Apr 12, 2012 -- 7:57PM, Midutch wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 7:04PM, Ken wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 6:28PM, wohali wrote:

Fascinating, our creationist friends have no explaination for epoch specific fossil beds other than "post flood".


Our creationist friends have no explanation for how babies are born. They think the stork brings them.


Maybe it has something to do with, um, that naked chick and the, um, talking, uh, ... "snake".



There's a Christian here on Beliefnet who thinks the naked chick had sex with the snake. She reads a lot of extra sex into the Bible.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed


Well, there is a lot to be said for metaphor.


Besides, "fundamentalist christians" do seem overly concerned with sex. (Everybody else's, of course. Their own indiscretions, not so much.)

"creationism" ... 2000+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE ... and proud of it.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 12:25AM #19
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Apr 8, 2012 -- 1:21AM, McAtheist wrote:



Iam: Dinosaurs, mammals, insects, amphibians, reptiles, birds, beasts of the field, etc., were all created "In the beginning God..." So, all life-form kinds existed on Day 7.


McAtheist: All the evidence strongly contradict this; all the evidence strongly demonstrates that various types of animals were separated by millions of years.  And no, YECS still don't have a viable explanation for why the fossil record is organized the way we find it.  Until such a time as said explanation is discovered and the evidence to support it found, your creation story remains just that: a non-scientific, theological story.



iama:  Yes, you are correct IF, IF, IF the sedimentary layers which exist WORLDWIDE each represent long ages of time as the evolution speculation re: geologists holding to those evolution speculations, are CORRECT!  But, according to The Bible, they are INCORRECT!


The "fountains of the great deep" opened up beneath the oceans as well as on the land surfaces.  You are aware that 90+% of all animal fossils found are marine life-forms.  Marine life-forms which were not capable of swimming away through the bombarding sediments of these "fountains of the great deep" opening up, were the first to perish. 


Land life-forms would have been later.  Those life-forms which could move away from the rising waters / swim / climb, make rafts, climb aboard floating debris, etc., were the last to perish.  Many of these last ones to perish / floated / decomposed and were not placed where / how they needed to be in order to be fossilized.  Why are there so many teeth found?  Why are there so many isolated bones found?


The parameters which existed at the time of The Flood included?


1. Rain


2. "fountains of the great deep" opening up


3. vulcanism


4. ocean currents


5. volcanic activity


6. ash, rocks, lava


7. tsunamis


8. tides


9. wind


10. ocean currents


11. earthquakes


12. mountains rising


13. volcanic mountain building


14. sea mount building


15. tectonic movements of the Earth's crust


16. destruction of the Earth's topography


17. deposition of great quantities of sediments


18. chemicals in solution cementing sediments


19. caves forming


20. receding waters carving out valleys, canyons, river valleys, etc.


21. ideal conditions for fossil formation


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3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 12:28AM #20
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Apr 7, 2012 -- 12:30PM, wohali wrote:



wohali: 57, why do you think that pleiosaurs aren't found?



iama: Being strong, fast swimmers, they were able to move through / out of the sediments as they were being deposited!  They weren't killed / buried, and so there are no fossil remains found.


Why do you think "that pleisosaurs (fossils) aren't found"?  Is this of particular study / interest for you?


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