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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 9:43AM #151
Midutch
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 3:23AM, Rgurley4 wrote:

I understand science and human knowledge very well.


Do you unbeleivers spiritually discern the miraculous words of the Bible?


What makes you think all spiritual believers believe in the Bible?


What makes you think that all people who do NOT believe in the Bible are "unbelievers"?


Pretty damn arrogant of you.

"creationism" ... 2000+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE ... and proud of it.
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:13AM #152
Midutch
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 7:53AM, Rgurley4 wrote:


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.....We (A-theists?} need a "scientific" definition (versus a "Biblical" definition)


...of "kind" / KINDS...


As well as all of the Buddhists, Hindus, Confucianists, Daoists, Shinto, Pagans, Wicca, agnostics, etc..


They don't have a workable scientific definition of "kinds" either ... and they probably think Biblical "kinds" is more idiotic than the "atheists" do.

"creationism" ... 2000+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE ... and proud of it.
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:37AM #153
MMarcoe
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 3:33AM, Rgurley4 wrote:


The topic:


The Bible speaks of "kind" / "kinds"


Science loves to "classify".


...Not much conflict that I see.





Great. Then you should have no problem seeing that organisms can evolve out of their kinds into new ones over long periods of time.


Maybe you're a closet evo.


 

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:41AM #154
MMarcoe
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 3:23AM, Rgurley4 wrote:


I understand science and human knowledge very well.


Do you unbeleivers spiritually discern the miraculous words of the Bible?





First of all, your discernment changes according to the latest biblical fads. It wouldn't be in line with the discernment of those from the first century AD.


Second, unbelievers can certainly discern the words of the Bible. They are the same ideas that you'd find in all religious literature. There are patterns and ideas that repeat. A good study of theology will uncover them all. And even if it takes a strong mystical experience to understand them on a deeper level, unbelievers have those experiences, too. Their minds interpret them differently than yours would, but the experiences themselves are the same. Our brains are all wired alike.


 


 

There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.

God is just a personification of reality, of pure objectivity.
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 11:21AM #155
d_p_m
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 3:23AM, Rgurley4 wrote:


I understand science and human knowledge very well.


Do you unbeleivers spiritually discern the miraculous words of the Bible?





1. You don`t seem to understand science very much at all.


2. Lots of us are not 'unbelievers' ( a propaganda word if I ever heard one ).


3. If by `spiritually discern the miraculous words of the bible`you mean 'agree with you in every particular of your interpretation of the meaning of the bible' then probably not, and your definition is both incredibly self-serving and totally irrelevant.


4. Significant numbers of us are still waiting for anyone on the anti-evolution side of the debate to show that the bible has any relevance or accuracy.

"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."

― Niels Bohr



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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 11:29AM #156
d_p_m
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 7:53AM, Rgurley4 wrote:


# 146
.....We (A-theists?} need a "scientific" definition (versus a "Biblical" definition)


...of "kind" / KINDS...



SEE:
7 days ago  ::  Apr 06, 2012 - 11:51AM  POST #77 



 BACK to BASICS ,,,please...by me


No one refuted it..I WIN!




What's to refute?


You were blithering along about some sort of interpertation of your cultic writings, which have been repeatedly demonstrated to be higly suspect when it comes to any sort of real world accuracy, failing most of the tests of veracity that have been applied.


The post is poorly organized, lacks coherence, and is rife with assumptions and unfounded claims. It's so much of a mess it would be hard to critique because just about anything that could be understood is clearly invalid.


If that makes you think you've won, your argument is in real trouble.

"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."

― Niels Bohr



"One need only watch a few minutes of any Orphan Black episode to see why Tatiana Maslany deserves to win every acting award available."

    —Mark Rozeman, http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2014/07/18-first-time-emmy-nominees-wed-like-to-see.html?a=1
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 11:32AM #157
d_p_m
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 3:33AM, Rgurley4 wrote:


My God is the author of BOTH:


1. all true scientific wisdom and


2. the basis of BELIEF / FAITH in belief systems...like Christ-following




Bullshit. Your 'God' is a Johnny-come-lately with the morals and sophistication of a spoiled four year old.

"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."

― Niels Bohr



"One need only watch a few minutes of any Orphan Black episode to see why Tatiana Maslany deserves to win every acting award available."

    —Mark Rozeman, http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2014/07/18-first-time-emmy-nominees-wed-like-to-see.html?a=1
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 1:38PM #158
wohali
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Rgurley:


"No one refuted it..I WIN!"


OK, now you are demonstrating a sense of humor.................

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