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6 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 4:00PM #41
steven_guy
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 3:30PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Mar 27, 2012 -- 2:34PM, Ken wrote:



iama: "Millions of years" vs Adam was, originally, created fully human, and lived for 930 years, "and he died".  The Bible never speaks of "millions of years," but always of an original 6 Days of The Creation.


Ken: That's because the Bible was written a very long time ago by people who were wholly ignorant of the natural sciences.



iama: The authoritive claim by the all-knowing-non-science-expert-on-all-things, has spoken.


Genesis was written by the One who Created, and therefore, knows what He is talking about!


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Then how come there is no science in Genesis and the whole thing reads like a very primitive creation myth? If God wrote Genesis then why didn't it put some science in it or something amazing that ignorant Middle Eastern goatherds couldn't possibly have known or imagined?

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 4:20PM #42
Ken
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 3:30PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Mar 27, 2012 -- 2:34PM, Ken wrote:

iama: "Millions of years" vs Adam was, originally, created fully human, and lived for 930 years, "and he died".  The Bible never speaks of "millions of years," but always of an original 6 Days of The Creation.


That's because the Bible was written a very long time ago by people who were wholly ignorant of the natural sciences.



The authoritive claim by the all-knowing-non-science-expert-on-all-things, has spoken.


Genesis was written by the One who Created, and therefore, knows what He is talking about!



Then prove it. I dare you.


It should be obvious to anyone whose reason hasn't been subverted by religious fanaticism that if every careful attempt to verify a Biblical statement discovers that the statement is false, the Bible cannot have been written by someone who knew what he was talking about unless he was deliberately lying. 


You forget (if you ever knew) that the early exponents of all the sciences that now contradict the creation account in Genesis fully expected their researches to confirm Genesis. They were appalled when they didn't, and they struggled valiantly to reconcile their discoveries with the Bible. They couldn't. Creationists are now trying to do - with a great deal less intelligence and integrity - what many eighteenth and early nineteenth scientists tried and failed to do. They're two hundred years too late to salvage Genesis.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 6:31PM #43
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 3:30PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Genesis was written by the One who Created




How can you have Creators without a creation? You have yet to show any scientific or historical evidence that there was a creation.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 6:56PM #44
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 1:26PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Mar 27, 2012 -- 12:43PM, MMarcoe wrote:



iama: On Day 6 of the Creation Week, our Creator-God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness."


MMarcoe: Yup. And since time is no issue to God, he used millions of years to do it.


iama:Not according to Genesis 5;5


   
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."


MMarcoe: What does this have to do with anything? Please make a coherent case. Otherwise, consider yourself wrong.



iama: "Millions of years" vs Adam was, originally, created fully human, and lived for 930 years, "and he died".


[remainder of proselytizing snipped]


You "fundamentalist christian creationists" have been an ABYSMAL FAILURE at demonstrating that "Adam" ever existed, let alone that "he" lived 930 years.


Indeed, you "fundamentalist christian creationists" have NEVER shown that ANY human has ever lived anywhere close to the life spans mentioned in the Bible.


You merely regugitating passages out of the Bible is NOT convincing SCIENTIFIC evidence, no matter how much YOU happen to think it is.

"creationism" ... 2000+ years worth of ABYSMAL FAILURE ... and proud of it.
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6 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 8:46PM #45
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"iama: The authoritive claim by the all-knowing-non-science-expert-on-all-things, has spoken"


And we have this pronouncement from the Queen of Trash Talk.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 10:34PM #46
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 1:26PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Mar 27, 2012 -- 12:43PM, MMarcoe wrote:



iama: On Day 6 of the Creation Week, our Creator-God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness."


MMarcoe: Yup. And since time is no issue to God, he used millions of years to do it.


iama:Not according to Genesis 5;5


   
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."


MMarcoe: What does this have to do with anything? Please make a coherent case. Otherwise, consider yourself wrong.



iama: "Millions of years" vs Adam was, originally, created fully human, and lived for 930 years, "and he died".  The Bible never speaks of "millions of years," but always of an original 6 Days of The Creation.  Adam was created specifically, specially, "in OUR image" and "after OUR likeness." Adam died 930 years later, having reproduced "sons and daughters," human beings reproduced / procreation.


MMarcoe: True, the Bible never speaks of millions of years, but neither does it declare that Jesus created the world or that the "Our/Us" is God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Those are things that some people impose upon the text.


And further, the word "day" means more than one thing in the Bible. It is used in many different ways.


 


iama: Christ Jesus, the incarnate God-Man, is the "Our / Us" likeness.


MMarcoe: This doesn't refer to Jesus. You are making it up, in line with your modern fundamentalism.


iama: Human beings were created as images of what Christ Jesus would be when He incaranted.


Col 2:9     
"For in Him dwelt all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."


1Pe 1:20     
"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"


Rom 8:3     
"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"


MMarcoe: I'm referring to the meaning of the "Our/Us." Please pay attention and address that.



iama:  The "Our / Us" = God - Father-Son-Holy Spirit.


Col 2:9     
"For in Him dwelt all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."


MMarcoe: If that were true, then the Son and Holy Spirit would have been identified as such in Genesis. A competent text would have addressed such an issue of fact.


Your claim about the Our/Us is therefore just an opinion. The truth is more likely a retinue of heavenly beings along with God.


 


Dying to our own selfishness is required for fellowship / relationship, and it does not come, naturally. Dying, daily, as Christ Jesus stretched out upon His cross, giving of ourselves, unselfishly, walking, uprightly, working, giving, receiving, stooping in humility, worshiping our Creator-God means:


- loving our Creator-God, vertically, looking up, and


- loving our fellow human beings, horizontally.


MMarcoe: loving them horizonally? As in sex?





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6 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 12:07AM #47
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 6:56PM, Midutch wrote:



iama: On Day 6 of the Creation Week, our Creator-God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness."


MMarcoe: Yup. And since time is no issue to God, he used millions of years to do it.


iama:Not according to Genesis 5;5


   
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."


MMarcoe: What does this have to do with anything? Please make a coherent case. Otherwise, consider yourself wrong.


iama: "Millions of years" vs Adam was, originally, created fully human, and lived for 930 years, "and he died".


Midutch: [remainder of proselytizing snipped]


You "fundamentalist christian creationists" have been an ABYSMAL FAILURE at demonstrating that "Adam" ever existed, let alone that "he" lived 930 years.


Indeed, you "fundamentalist christian creationists" have NEVER shown that ANY human has ever lived anywhere close to the life spans mentioned in the Bible.


You merely regugitating passages out of the Bible is NOT convincing SCIENTIFIC evidence, no matter how much YOU happen to think it is.



iama: Are you familiar with the existence of the Sumerian King List?


The antediluvian patriarchs and the Sumerian King List


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http://creation.com/creation-tv?fileID=N0RDR6y_QBc

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 3:09AM #48
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iama



The antediluvian patriarchs and the Sumerian King List


Okay, let's think about this your way.


Have you added up the regnal years on your Sumerian king list?  They come to well over 250,000 years. 


So much for the earth being 6,000 years old, eh?


That pain in your foot is where your bullet went through.




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6 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 7:00PM #49
iamachildofhis
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Mar 28, 2012 -- 3:09AM, Blü wrote:



iama:



The antediluvian patriarchs and the Sumerian King List


Blu: Okay, let's think about this your way.


Have you added up the regnal years on your Sumerian king list?  They come to well over 250,000 years. 


So much for the earth being 6,000 years old, eh?


That pain in your foot is where your bullet went through.



iama: You didn't read the linked-to article, or you would have considered the author's premise!


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http://creation.com/creation-tv?fileID=N0RDR6y_QBc

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2012 - 7:08PM #50
Ken
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Mar 28, 2012 -- 7:00PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Mar 28, 2012 -- 3:09AM, Blü wrote:


The antediluvian patriarchs and the Sumerian King List


Okay, let's think about this your way.


Have you added up the regnal years on your Sumerian king list?  They come to well over 250,000 years. 


So much for the earth being 6,000 years old, eh?


That pain in your foot is where your bullet went through.



You didn't read the linked-to article, or you would have considered the author's premise!


The linked-to article is on creation.com. There is no need to read it.




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