Interesting how MMarcoe is claiming God lies. If the bible Gods words scribed by humans it has to be inerrant.
Then you refute creationism on the spot, since the bible unambiguously says that Yahweh lies -
1 Kings 22 [23]Now, therefore, behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has spoken evil concerning you.
2 Chronicles 18 [22]Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets; the Lord has spoken evil concerning you.
Jeremiah 4 [10]... "Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast utterly deceived this people..."
Jeremiah 20 [7] O Lord, thou hast deceived me, / and I was deceived;
Ezekiel 14 [9] And if the prophet be deceived and speak a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet
2 Thessalonians 2 [11] Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
The Bible itself claims neither to be the word of God nor inerrant. So given that fact, why do you insist on believing otherwise?
The Bible does not support your claim. If it did, it would have said, "The Bible is the word of God, and it is inerrant." But it doesn't. So what does that tell you?
Interesting how MMarcoe is claiming God lies. If the bible Gods words scribed by humans it has to be inerrant.
No. It does not have to be at all. I don't see why you fail to understand that. There is no mention in the Bible about it being God's word scribed by humans. You are making that up. You are bearing false witness against God.
Yeah, you're right...the bible doesn't claim it is God breathed.
Does it? Then show me where. And please don't hand me that Timothy quote. That one says nothing about God. I will wait patiently.
And it's interesting how you think I'm claiming God lies, when I never claimed that. So now you're the one bearing false witness against me. Does that trouble your conscience? Probably not.
Considering God used man to write the bible...and considering God doesn't lie....considering you claim the bible contains many errors...nd God doesn't error...you are calling God a liar.
Nope -- still not calling God a liar. But maybe you are. Does the Bible say that God "used man" to write the Bible, or are you making that up?
MMarcoes problem is that he disagrees with so much of the bible he needs errors to force his theology to conform.
I don't need to disagree with the Bible. I only need to see what is written in it and what isn't.
Yeah, sure you do.
57's problem is that he believes things that humans claim about the Bible, and then he claims that the Bible actually says them, even though it clearly doesn't.
...and I should believe your claims? Are you not human...making claims about the bible?
Not the point. The point is that you claim that the Bible says things that in fact it does not say at all. So why do you do this?
Sounds like 57 doesn't bother to read his Bible.
Considering I've used vast portions of the bible to refute your "theology" how can you even begin to make such a claim?
Easy. The fact that you keep on making mistakes, claiming that the Bible says things that in fact it does not say.
See how easy that was?
There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.
The Bible itself claims neither to be the word of God nor inerrant. So given that fact, why do you insist on believing otherwise?
The Bible does not support your claim. If it did, it would have said, "The Bible is the word of God, and it is inerrant." But it doesn't. So what does that tell you?
Interesting how MMarcoe is claiming God lies. If the bible Gods words scribed by humans it has to be inerrant.
No. It does not have to be at all. I don't see why you fail to understand that. There is no mention in the Bible about it being God's word scribed by humans. You are making that up. You are bearing false witness against God.
Yeah, you're right...the bible doesn't claim it is God breathed.
And it's interesting how you think I'm claiming God lies, when I never claimed that. So now you're the one bearing false witness against me. Does that trouble your conscience? Probably not.
Considering God used man to write the bible...and considering God doesn't lie....considering you claim the bible contains many errors...nd God doesn't error...you are calling God a liar.
MMarcoes problem is that he disagrees with so much of the bible he needs errors to force his theology to conform.
I don't need to disagree with the Bible. I only need to see what is written in it and what isn't.
Yeah, sure you do.
57's problem is that he believes things that humans claim about the Bible, and then he claims that the Bible actually says them, even though it clearly doesn't.
...and I should believe your claims? Are you not human...making claims about the bible?
Sounds like 57 doesn't bother to read his Bible.
Considering I've used vast portions of the bible to refute your "theology" how can you even begin to make such a claim?
The Bible itself claims neither to be the word of God nor inerrant. So given that fact, why do you insist on believing otherwise?
The Bible does not support your claim. If it did, it would have said, "The Bible is the word of God, and it is inerrant." But it doesn't. So what does that tell you?
Interesting how MMarcoe is claiming God lies. If the bible Gods words scribed by humans it has to be inerrant.
No. It does not have to be at all. I don't see why you fail to understand that. There is no mention in the Bible about it being God's word scribed by humans. You are making that up. You are bearing false witness against God.
And it's interesting how you think I'm claiming God lies, when I never claimed that. So now you're the one bearing false witness against me. Does that trouble your conscience? Probably not.
MMarcoes problem is that he disagrees with so much of the bible he needs errors to force his theology to conform.
I don't need to disagree with the Bible. I only need to see what is written in it and what isn't.
57's problem is that he believes things that humans claim about the Bible, and then he claims that the Bible actually says them, even though it clearly doesn't.
Sounds like 57 doesn't bother to read his Bible.
There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.
There is a new good theory that Neanderthal...were ....the old humans mentioned in the bible.
google it.
If they were merely "old humans" they wouldn't have a radically different genome would they?
Further, Neanderthal CHILDREN are , by definition, NOT "old humans".
Haven't you tried this ridiculous argument before?
Would this be an example of "creationist" grasping at invisible straws?
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BTW the genomes for human individuals going back to least 5300 yeas ago are available (Otzi the iceman, genome study released August 2, 2010). It is clear that they are NOT Neanderthal.
Where is this so-called neandertal child?
La Farrassie archeological site, in the Vézère valley of the Périgord region of France.
And it wasn't one Neanderthal child, it was six.
BTW, I'm still waiting for a neandertal child..got a photo?
The Bible itself claims neither to be the word of God nor inerrant. So given that fact, why do you insist on believing otherwise?
The Bible does not support your claim. If it did, it would have said, "The Bible is the word of God, and it is inerrant." But it doesn't. So what does that tell you?
Interesting how MMarcoe is claiming God lies. If the bible Gods words scribed by humans it has to be inerrant.
MMarcoes problem is that he disagrees with so much of the bible he needs errors to force his theology to conform.
I live / exist within the parameters of The Bible's truths: I am a child of His! Christianity / The Church which Christ Jesus is the Head of, was purchased ~2,000 years ago in reality human history, and I am a recipiant of His redemption work. That redemption work began "from before the foundation of the world." The Bible is the historically accurate, and God-Holy Spirit inspired, inerrant, human recording of HIS STORY / His Yehweh-interactions with a chosen righteous line of human beings: believing-Israel and believing Christians, both Jews and Gentiles comprising The Church, from the time of The Creation right on through to the New Heaven and the New Earth - Eternity.
"Seek and you shall find," is the solution to your answer. "Seeking" requires volitional choice, vs intellectual rejection.
That was a sermon. Don't preach a sermon at me unless I ask you to.
The Roman governor of Syria from 4 to 1 BCE was Calpurnius Piso. I have already informed you of that fact several times. You have just confirmed what I have long suspected - that you never read my responses to you.
the Bible is the historically accurate, and God-Holy Spirit inspired, inerrant
I keep asking you for any reason to think that's true but you have no answer.
It simply isn't true that the universe started only 6015 years ago, that the earth and sun have existed since the start of the universe, that the earth is flat, that the sun, moon and stars go round it, that plants existed before the sun did, that birds existed before land critters did, that humans were created from dust, that snakes can talk, that humans 'fell', that a Genesis flood happened, that a city-building civilization existed at a time when humans spoke only one language - and so on and so on and so on.
So the bible isn't 'true' and it was written at various times by various humans for various purposes including folktales, legends, poems, songs, folk history, regulations, political polemic, moral fables, sayings, and more, all in a thoroughly human manner.
On what rational basis could anyone think otherwise?
