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7 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2011 - 4:02PM #11
Ken
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Jul 2, 2011 -- 2:31PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 2, 2011 -- 9:17AM, Ken wrote:

See what I mean? I tell you something completely uncontroversial that all educated Christians have known for generations, and what do you do? Do you thank me? Do you say "I didn't know that. Where can I learn more about it?" No, you lose your temper and start shrieking at me like a madwoman. That's inexcusable. If you were one of my students, I'd have campus security remove you from the classroom.



What is the historic method used by atheists when they are proselytizing?


I'm not proselytizing. If I were, I certainly wouldn't waste my time telling you something that all educated Christians already know. I'd tell you something that would undermine your faith. Amcolph knows that Moses didn't write the Torah. Has his faith been undermined? Of course not.

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7 years ago  ::  Jul 02, 2011 - 6:21PM #12
Blü
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iama


Can you conceive of TRUTH having "variation or shadow of turning?"


Of course.  Many things that were once self-evident truths are no longer true.  For example -


The earth is flat.


The Goddess is the supreme deity.


The sun goes round the earth.


An is the supreme deity.


Astrology is true.


The sky is a dome and the stars are fixed on it.


The supreme being approves polygamy for the rich.


Amun is the supreme deity.


Yahweh is the supreme deity.


Human sacrifice to the gods is essential in times of crisis and for solving special problems.


Owning slaves is as good and as natural as breathing.


The Upanishads are true.


Jesus as well as god is the supreme deity.


If you die for your religion you'll go straight to heaven, no questions asked.


Anything, people included, may be usefully analyzed in terms of its proportions of earth, water, air and fire.


God gives kings the divine and autarchic right to rule on earth.


Fire is due to the presence of phlogiston.


The Bible is true.


Thirteen is unlucky.


God gives humans a single fixed morality.


When someone is sick, it's good to bleed them.


Light moves in the medium of the lumeniferous aether.


The Book of Mormon is true.


Communism is the savior of humanity.


The earth's crust is a single solid.


The gods spend most of the day watching human sex acts and marking them out of ten.


Creationism is true.


Dianetics is true.


&c.


 


None of these 'truths' is true any more, but at various times and places they've all been true, so true that people have been willing to kill and to die for many of them.


When it comes to truth, there are no absolutes.

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7 years ago  ::  Jul 03, 2011 - 10:59PM #13
iamachildofhis
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Jul 2, 2011 -- 6:21PM, Blü wrote:



iama


Can you conceive of TRUTH having "variation or shadow of turning?"


Blu:: Of course.  Many things that were once self-evident truths are no longer true.  For example -


The earth is flat.


The Goddess is the supreme deity.


The sun goes round the earth.


An is the supreme deity.


Astrology is true.


The sky is a dome and the stars are fixed on it.


The supreme being approves polygamy for the rich.


Amun is the supreme deity.


Yahweh is the supreme deity.


Human sacrifice to the gods is essential in times of crisis and for solving special problems.


Owning slaves is as good and as natural as breathing.


The Upanishads are true.


Jesus as well as god is the supreme deity.


If you die for your religion you'll go straight to heaven, no questions asked.


Anything, people included, may be usefully analyzed in terms of its proportions of earth, water, air and fire.


God gives kings the divine and autarchic right to rule on earth.


Fire is due to the presence of phlogiston.


The Bible is true.


Thirteen is unlucky.


God gives humans a single fixed morality.


When someone is sick, it's good to bleed them.


Light moves in the medium of the lumeniferous aether.


The Book of Mormon is true.


Communism is the savior of humanity.


The earth's crust is a single solid.


The gods spend most of the day watching human sex acts and marking them out of ten.


Creationism is true.


Dianetics is true.


&c.


 


None of these 'truths' is true any more, but at various times and places they've all been true, so true that people have been willing to kill and to die for many of them.


When it comes to truth, there are no absolutes.



 


iama:  Wrong!  That which has existed eternally, our Creator-God, is true.


IF something is TRUE, it will ALWAYS be True!


Yahweh is the supreme deity.  "I AM that I AM" is the self-existing one.


Jesus as well as god is the supreme deity. Jesus Christ is God-Son, incarnate.


The Bible is true.


Creationism is true. The Creation is the achievement of God.


 


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7 years ago  ::  Jul 03, 2011 - 11:19PM #14
Vistronic
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Iama, I like you but could you please tone it down a notch once in a while will you? No one is forcing you to change your mind on anything , thats up to you.

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7 years ago  ::  Jul 04, 2011 - 2:17AM #15
Blü
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iama


IF something is TRUE, it will ALWAYS be True!


Then it will always be true that the author of Matthew says the earth is flat.


 

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7 years ago  ::  Jul 04, 2011 - 12:15PM #16
iamachildofhis
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Jul 4, 2011 -- 2:17AM, Blü wrote:



iama:


IF something is TRUE, it will ALWAYS be True!


Blu: Then it will always be true that the author of Matthew says the earth is flat.



iama: Where?


 


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7 years ago  ::  Jul 04, 2011 - 12:16PM #17
iamachildofhis
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Jul 3, 2011 -- 11:19PM, Vistronic wrote:



Vistronics: Iama, I like you but could you please tone it down a notch once in a while will you? No one is forcing you to change your mind on anything , thats up to you.



iama: How many of your posts have been deleted?


 


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The wonder of Christmas is that the God Who dwelt among us, now, can dwell within us. - Roy Lessin
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7 years ago  ::  Jul 04, 2011 - 12:59PM #18
Ken
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Jul 4, 2011 -- 12:16PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Jul 3, 2011 -- 11:19PM, Vistronic wrote:

Iama, I like you but could you please tone it down a notch once in a while will you? No one is forcing you to change your mind on anything , thats up to you.



How many of your posts have been deleted?



Do you usually ask irrelevant questions? Everyone has had posts deleted. So what?

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7 years ago  ::  Jul 04, 2011 - 10:06PM #19
Blü
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iama


Matthew 4


8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them


You can only do that on a flat earth.

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7 years ago  ::  Jul 04, 2011 - 11:55PM #20
iamachildofhis
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Jul 4, 2011 -- 10:06PM, Blü wrote:



Blu: iama,


Matthew 4


8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them


You can only do that on a flat earth.



iama: The Devil, also, took Him to the pinnacle of The Temple! 


The Devil is a supernatural being, who is capable of taking Christ Jesus to some place in the space above the Earth, so that He could view "the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them," as they rotated beneath.


Your unbelief is limiting the supernatural, again, as always.


The astronauts on the Space Station have a great vantage point, don't you think? 


 


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The wonder of Christmas is that the God Who dwelt among us, now, can dwell within us. - Roy Lessin
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"Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
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Mercy is NOT receiving what you deserve.
Grace is receiving what you DO NOT deserve.
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