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7 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2010 - 11:12AM #101
Ken
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Dec 6, 2010 -- 11:01AM, teilhard wrote:

And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ...


Bad shools, bad colleges, bad universities, bad publishing houses, bad libraries, and bad laboratories.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2010 - 1:02PM #102
farragut
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Some good football teams.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 06, 2010 - 5:43PM #103
JCarlin
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Dec 6, 2010 -- 1:02PM, farragut wrote:

Some good football teams.



And a few have isolated religion to the Religious Studies Department, and have created a real University with the other subject areas.  With many of them you have to search carefully to find out they are a religious school. 

J'Carlin
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't cram your foot in it and complain.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2010 - 1:46PM #104
newchurchguy
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Dec 6, 2010 -- 11:12AM, Ken wrote:


Dec 6, 2010 -- 11:01AM, teilhard wrote:

And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ...


Bad shools, bad colleges, bad universities, bad publishing houses, bad libraries, and bad laboratories.





lol  - bad dog....


Ken thinks he has put those bad puppy institutions in the doghouse.  And maybe he thinks we should promote the University of the ACLU/Brights as the new source of support for human services around the world.  Modern governments do more now than ever before - but - still beyond entitlements - religious charities are a major player as NGOs.


Oh, wait a second, it takes real donations and subsequent investment in a charity --- to actually do something culturally.  (rather then be a "bitch and moan" society) 

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 09, 2010 - 11:31AM #105
Cryano
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"And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ..."


And everywhere and always they have done it with the ultimate goal of spreading the "Faith." They have no interest in learning or knowledge as such. Their only goal is to provide support for their mythology.


I remember a night in Church yea these many decades past when the pastor was urging donations for foreign missions. And he explained the need to "donate" in this way.


"This money goes to winning souls for Christ. After all if that not what is is about we could just a easily send a check to the Red Cross."

Religion is the longest running most successful con game in history. It works because the victims never realize they have been taken. They die first.

Although certain modern catholics are beginning to see the light.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 09, 2010 - 7:22PM #106
Ken
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Dec 8, 2010 -- 1:46PM, newchurchguy wrote:


Dec 6, 2010 -- 11:12AM, Ken wrote:

And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ...


Bad shools, bad colleges, bad universities, bad publishing houses, bad libraries, and bad laboratories.


Ken thinks he has put those bad puppy institutions in the doghouse.  And maybe he thinks we should promote the University of the ACLU/Brights as the new source of support for human services around the world. 


What on earth are you babbling about? There is no such university, and universities aren't providers of human services anyway. Their job is to educate.


Modern governments do more now than ever before - but - still beyond entitlements - religious charities are a major player as NGOs.


Only because modern governments still don't do enough. A decent government would make private charity obsolete.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2010 - 10:53AM #107
teilhard
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ummmm ... NO ...


Those Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories were NOT primarly devoted to Bible Studies and Theology ...


Dec 9, 2010 -- 11:31AM, Cryano wrote:


"And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ..."


And everywhere and always they have done it with the ultimate goal of spreading the "Faith." They have no interest in learning or knowledge as such. Their only goal is to provide support for their mythology.



 




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7 years ago  ::  Dec 10, 2010 - 9:02PM #108
Vardu
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Dec 9, 2010 -- 11:31AM, Cryano wrote:


"And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ..."


And everywhere and always they have done it with the ultimate goal of spreading the "Faith." They have no interest in learning or knowledge as such. Their only goal is to provide support for their mythology.


I remember a night in Church yea these many decades past when the pastor was urging donations for foreign missions. And he explained the need to "donate" in this way.


"This money goes to winning souls for Christ. After all if that not what is is about we could just a easily send a check to the Red Cross."




I think the evidence is overwhelming in support of what you say, Cyrano. The Church has never been partisans of free inquiry, and whenever it has produced a smokescreen of being such, it has always had an ulterior motive - colonising the mind.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 13, 2010 - 10:13PM #109
teilhard
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LOL ... Your Claim is that by DEFINITION Religious Faith Communities have been cynical and perfidious ...


Dec 10, 2010 -- 9:02PM, Vardu wrote:


Dec 9, 2010 -- 11:31AM, Cryano wrote:


"And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ..."


And everywhere and always they have done it with the ultimate goal of spreading the "Faith." They have no interest in learning or knowledge as such. Their only goal is to provide support for their mythology.


I remember a night in Church yea these many decades past when the pastor was urging donations for foreign missions. And he explained the need to "donate" in this way.


"This money goes to winning souls for Christ. After all if that not what is is about we could just a easily send a check to the Red Cross."




I think the evidence is overwhelming in support of what you say, Cyrano. The Church has never been partisans of free inquiry, and whenever it has produced a smokescreen of being such, it has always had an ulterior motive - colonising the mind.





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7 years ago  ::  Dec 14, 2010 - 3:08AM #110
Vardu
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Yes, exactly, but more so their leaders.


It is right there that one can see infamy at its worst.


I know of theists on these threads who have no scruples against becoming mendacious if they see it as furthering their righteous cause.


 


 


Dec 13, 2010 -- 10:13PM, teilhard wrote:


LOL ... Your Claim is that by DEFINITION Religious Faith Communities have been cynical and perfidious ...


Dec 10, 2010 -- 9:02PM, Vardu wrote:


Dec 9, 2010 -- 11:31AM, Cryano wrote:


"And ... Communities of Faith have ALWAYS everywhere established and supported Schools, Colleges, Universities, Publishing Houses, Libraries, and Laboratories ..."


And everywhere and always they have done it with the ultimate goal of spreading the "Faith." They have no interest in learning or knowledge as such. Their only goal is to provide support for their mythology.


I remember a night in Church yea these many decades past when the pastor was urging donations for foreign missions. And he explained the need to "donate" in this way.


"This money goes to winning souls for Christ. After all if that not what is is about we could just a easily send a check to the Red Cross."




I think the evidence is overwhelming in support of what you say, Cyrano. The Church has never been partisans of free inquiry, and whenever it has produced a smokescreen of being such, it has always had an ulterior motive - colonising the mind.









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