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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 11:48AM #1
Grinandbearit
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Film 'proving Bible true' getting major expansion

A film that could potentially verify the historical accuracy of much of the Bible is getting a major expansion. The film's creators, while not wishing to reveal every detail, say the motion picture has grown tremendously, now beginning at the time of Abraham and ending with today's news headlines direct from the Middle East. It even includes appearances by Israeli President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Freelance journalist Rachel Neuwirth is among those who have already viewed one version of the film, and noted:

    ... the film also documents the efforts of Arab governments, especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia, to suppress, or at least to seriously impede, the discovery and publication of archaeological data that would confirm the historicity of the biblical narrative. Is this a conspiracy to suppress the truth about the ancient history of the Middle East? And, if so, who could possibly want to deny the reality of a 3,500-year-old event, and why?

    The film's answer to these questions is that Arab governments and political circles wish to deny to the Jews the status of indigenous inhabitants of the Middle East; and above all, to deny the 3,000-plus years of continuous Jewish inhabitance of the land of Israel (called "Palestine" by the Romans, the British, and now the Arabs).

    The entire Arab justification for 88 years of relentless war against the Jewish people in the Holy Land, and their efforts first to prevent the rebirth of the Jewish nation there, and then to destroy it, rests on the claim that the Jews are alien European "settlers" in the Holy Land, while the Arabs are the "indigenous" native population, who have lived there "since time immemorial."

    Archaeology that confirms the accuracy of the biblical narrative, and which documents the ancientness of the Jewish habitation of the land, is thus extremely inconvenient to Israel's enemies, even though (or rather because) it concerns events in the remote past.


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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 11:57AM #2
Iwantamotto
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How long is this movie going to be?  I mean, 3000 years or whatever of history?  LOL ... good luck with that.  Each biblical plot alone deserves its own movie.


Still, "proving" the bible is something I have to wonder about.  Is it JUST about convincing everyone that Jews have ancient ties to the land?  So what?  The Middle East has changed hands a gazillion times.  If you "prove" the bible true, you have to accept that Jews came into ALREADY INHABITED land.  It's kind of like the European colonization of America.  Actually, now that I think about it ... some Christian groups like to pretend they're just like ancient Jews, so maybe that's what this is all about ... proving that Europeans had a right to just muscle in on native territory.  :P

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 12:23PM #3
Agnosticspirit
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Which part of the bible will be "proven"? The parting of the Red Sea, the instructions to Noah, the burning bush? Wink


Biblical archeology is a fascinating field, however... With the discovery of the Nag Hammadi texts and the Dead Sea scrolls, we're finally getting a snapshot into the early origins of Christianity.... and it's nothing like what we see today.


As archeologists uncover sites buried under millenia of sand, I'm sure we can stitch together some credible links between tribal  history as written with descendents today. Will this lend more credence to Israelites? Certainly, I hope it will.. Israel has a right to exist.


But I can't help but think the conflict won't end here.... The lands of the bible have been occupied by so many different people, and whatever is unearthed....Jerusalem is considered a sacred city by 3 branches of Abraham. 


When will we be able to overcome our tribalism so all can live in that city in peace?


 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 12:49PM #4
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Feb 12, 2010 -- 11:48AM, Grinandbearit wrote:

...A film that could potentially verify the historical accuracy of much of the Bible is getting a major expansion....



I have absolutely no doubt that any film telling christian extremists what they want to hear will be popular among those extremists. They're not educated enough to realize that the film is full of lies and that archaeology has proven much of the bible to be wrong. It should be no surprise that a religion built on lies needs to maintain itself with lies and ignorance.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 1:03PM #5
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Feb 12, 2010 -- 12:23PM, Agnosticspirit wrote:


Jerusalem is considered a sacred city by 3 branches of Abraham. 






Agnostic, there is an interesting book on Jerusalem by Karen Armstrong which makes this point, that history is intimately bound up with current events in that part of the world.  The book tells the story of how each faith came to regard the city as somehow holy, and how that has fueled the endless conflicts that seem to arise there.  Worth a read, if you haven't.


As far as this movie goes, there is much archaeology which is consistent with many reported Biblical events.  But though consistency is a necessary condition for proof, it is not a sufficient one.  In any case, I don't think any serious historian or archaeologist doubts that Hebrew states arose in the region around 1000 BC.   Details of how they arose are very sketchy, however.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 1:11PM #6
Grinandbearit
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Feb 12, 2010 -- 12:49PM, mountain_man wrote:


I have absolutely no doubt that any film telling christian extremists what they want to hear will be popular among those extremists. They're not educated enough to realize that the film is full of lies and that archaeology has proven much of the bible to be wrong. It should be no surprise that a religion built on lies needs to maintain itself with lies and ignorance.




This response doesn't surprise any Christian who has dealt with atheists. They pull out the "they're not educated" card endlessly.


1Co 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
Co 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 3:19  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 1:15PM #7
Agnosticspirit
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Feb 12, 2010 -- 1:03PM, TemplarS wrote:


Feb 12, 2010 -- 12:23PM, Agnosticspirit wrote:


Jerusalem is considered a sacred city by 3 branches of Abraham. 






Agnostic, there is an interesting book on Jerusalem by Karen Armstrong which makes this point, that history is intimately bound up with current events in that part of the world.  The book tells the story of how each faith came to regard the city as somehow holy, and how that has fueled the endless conflicts that seem to arise there.  Worth a read, if you haven't.


As far as this movie goes, there is much archaeology which is consistent with many reported Biblical events.  But though consistency is a necessary condition for proof, it is not a sufficient one.  In any case, I don't think any serious historian or archaeologist doubts that Hebrew states arose in the region around 1000 BC.   Details of how they arose are very sketchy, however.




Hallo Templar, I'll have to add that to my ever growing wish list on Amazon! It sounds interesting! Kinda makes you wonder. Had the cradle of civilization been somewhere OTHER than the "Fertile Crescent",  would Jerusaleum still exist? I'm sure it would, if only by another name and in a different location like South America... or France.... or any other place.


I don't reject out of hand that archeology can reveal that what we perceive as myth is ancient history. I'm sure the discovery of Troy has given many heart... But claims that archeology will prove "the bible is all true" are a bit of a stretch... :)


 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 1:54PM #8
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For those who are interested, THIS LINK will take you to blogs on the official site of The Exodus Conspiracy. It's an ambitious project and should be a fascinating view.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 2:11PM #9
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Why is fundamentalist protestantism so hung up on hating Arabs and making them appear "evil?"

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2010 - 2:15PM #10
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Feb 12, 2010 -- 1:11PM, Grinandbearit wrote:


Feb 12, 2010 -- 12:49PM, mountain_man wrote:

I have absolutely no doubt that any film telling christian extremists what they want to hear will be popular among those extremists. They're not educated enough to realize that the film is full of lies and that archaeology has proven much of the bible to be wrong. It should be no surprise that a religion built on lies needs to maintain itself with lies and ignorance.



This response doesn't surprise any Christian who has dealt with atheists. They pull out the "they're not educated" card endlessly.



Only because it's true. Religious extremists, such as those that actually believe the world is about to end, are ignorant of anything but what their religion tells them to believe. They live in a magical world of rams horns and "magnetic alignments," but not in a real world where educated people understand that those things are just myths. Those that are educated understand that some group of humans, from the dawn of religious beliefs were invented tens of thousands of years ago, that the "world" was going to end and end soon. Every one of them has been wrong. There's no reason to believe they are right today.

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