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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 11:53AM #1
2bme
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"May the outward and inward man be at one." Socrates

 

Was Socrates mad to draw this distinction?  Was it no fault of his own but just from being deprived of attending Harvard?

 

Secularism including atheism is concerned with the outward man. The esoteric efforts are concerned with the inward man. 

 

The atheist denies the importance of the inward man while often those involved with religion underestimate the importance of the outward man reflecting the inward man in the World .

 

Why does this division in psychology?  Is it because Socrates was misguided?  Is it because of the absurd  nature of Man?  Perhaps an animal went off its head and we're paying the price ever since?

 

" Man is an exception, whatever else he is. If he is not the image of God, then he is a disease of the dust. If it is not true that a divine being fell, then we can only say that one of the animals went entirely off its head." Chesterton 

 

But suppose Socrates is right and human psychology should be dedicated to allowing the inward and outward man to be as one: then what?

 

Who knows what it means?  If we've forgotten what it means, how can it be passed on to the young?  If we cannot, then the essence of psychology is sacrificed to Dr. Phil. Not a pleasant alternative.

 

What is the outward man?  What is the inward man?  Why are they not as one? How can they become as one?  If one cannot learn this in Harvard, Socrates may have been right.  Perish the thought! What would happen to Dr. Phil?
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 12:53PM #2
Ken
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 11:53AM, 2bme wrote:

What is the outward man?  What is the inward man? 


Perhaps you should have told us that at the beginning.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 1:06PM #3
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 12:53PM, Ken wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 11:53AM, 2bme wrote:

What is the outward man?  What is the inward man? 


Perhaps you should have told us that at the beginning.




This is what you have to experience and verify rather than be told.  The outward man is the expressions of your daily life.  How you get up in the morning, do whatever you do during the day until you fall asleep at night.  Do you believe it is an accurate expression of the inward man; what you are on the inside? Socrates asserts that since they are not "one," everything is as it is including all the man made horrors in the world.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 1:07PM #4
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Replace Dr. Phil with Carl Jung.  Integrate the opposites.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 1:53PM #5
2bme
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:07PM, Wendyness wrote:


Replace Dr. Phil with Carl Jung.  Integrate the opposites.




Very true. The outward man which dominates our lives is unconcerned with the value of Jungian archetypes other than as a curiousity.  The inward man is drawn to them as in Plato's world of forms from the depths of our being.  The purpose of the essence of religion is to aid the innward man which is why the outward man cannot respect it other then as related to external morality or ideas of salvation.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 2:04PM #6
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:53PM, 2bme wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:07PM, Wendyness wrote:


Replace Dr. Phil with Carl Jung.  Integrate the opposites.




Very true. The outward man which dominates our lives is unconcerned with the value of Jungian archetypes other than as a curiousity.  The inward man is drawn to them as in Plato's world of forms from the depths of our being.  The purpose of the essence of religion is to aid the innward man which is why the outward man cannot respect it other then as related to external morality or ideas of salvation.




I wouldn't use the word "unconcerned", replace it with unconscious.  That should explain a lot!

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 2:25PM #7
2bme
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 2:04PM, Wendyness wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:53PM, 2bme wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:07PM, Wendyness wrote:


Replace Dr. Phil with Carl Jung.  Integrate the opposites.




Very true. The outward man which dominates our lives is unconcerned with the value of Jungian archetypes other than as a curiousity.  The inward man is drawn to them as in Plato's world of forms from the depths of our being.  The purpose of the essence of religion is to aid the innward man which is why the outward man cannot respect it other then as related to external morality or ideas of salvation.




I wouldn't use the word "unconcerned", replace it with unconscious.  That should explain a lot!




I agree. The outward man lacks consciousness so cannot be concerned beyond the level of curiousity. When the outward man can reflect the conscious awareness of the matured inward man, then the outward man and inward man can be as one.  Of course this is an extreme rarity.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 2:26PM #8
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:06PM, 2bme wrote:

The outward man is the expressions of your daily life.  How you get up in the morning, do whatever you do during the day until you fall asleep at night.  Do you believe it is an accurate expression of the inward man; what you are on the inside?



Yes. Why wouldn't it be?

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 2:35PM #9
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 2:25PM, 2bme wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 2:04PM, Wendyness wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:53PM, 2bme wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:07PM, Wendyness wrote:


Replace Dr. Phil with Carl Jung.  Integrate the opposites.




Very true. The outward man which dominates our lives is unconcerned with the value of Jungian archetypes other than as a curiousity.  The inward man is drawn to them as in Plato's world of forms from the depths of our being.  The purpose of the essence of religion is to aid the innward man which is why the outward man cannot respect it other then as related to external morality or ideas of salvation.




I wouldn't use the word "unconcerned", replace it with unconscious.  That should explain a lot!




I agree. The outward man lacks consciousness so cannot be concerned beyond the level of curiousity. When the outward man can reflect the conscious awareness of the matured inward man, then the outward man and inward man can be as one.  Of course this is an extreme rarity.




Again, integration of the opposites.  Modern man is polarized.  Curiosity is indicative of some consciousness.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2010 - 2:49PM #10
2bme
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Jan 13, 2010 -- 2:35PM, Wendyness wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 2:25PM, 2bme wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 2:04PM, Wendyness wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:53PM, 2bme wrote:


Jan 13, 2010 -- 1:07PM, Wendyness wrote:


Replace Dr. Phil with Carl Jung.  Integrate the opposites.




Very true. The outward man which dominates our lives is unconcerned with the value of Jungian archetypes other than as a curiousity.  The inward man is drawn to them as in Plato's world of forms from the depths of our being.  The purpose of the essence of religion is to aid the innward man which is why the outward man cannot respect it other then as related to external morality or ideas of salvation.




I wouldn't use the word "unconcerned", replace it with unconscious.  That should explain a lot!




I agree. The outward man lacks consciousness so cannot be concerned beyond the level of curiousity. When the outward man can reflect the conscious awareness of the matured inward man, then the outward man and inward man can be as one.  Of course this is an extreme rarity.




Again, integration of the opposites.  Modern man is polarized.  




I agree but all this means is that since our methods of killing have become so efficient and being so polarized, and still follow the cycles of life including war and peace,  we are in for a helluva unnecessary war.


That is why I support the Simones and Jacob Needleman's of the world who offer inner alternatives to the blind polarization Plato referred to as the "Beast."


What would you suggest as a basic means for minimizing polarization through support of the development of the inward man?

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