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5 years ago  ::  Jan 03, 2010 - 8:42PM #21
Ken
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Jan 3, 2010 -- 7:51PM, he-man wrote:


Jan 3, 2010 -- 7:32PM, Ken wrote:


Jan 3, 2010 -- 7:23PM, he-man wrote:

No 1 there is nowhere in the Bible mentioned 3 wisemen or their names. It only says three gifts were presented to Christ in a house much later than when Christ was born.


According to Matthew, the gifts were given by magi. The rest is tradition.


Are you trying to say that this method of lying and scaring children to death does not exist TODAY?



I doubt very much that children are being scared to death. It's a quaint folk custom. We don't follow that custom here. If they want to follow it in Styria, that's up to them.  



 The Church isn't pulling the wool over anyone's eyes (or even trying to? come on now.. You do not lie to children about a Kris Kringle or the devil?


What on earth has the Church got to do with this? Schladming is a major ski resort. Although the Krampusumzug draws upon local folk traditions, it's essentially a show for the tourists. They've only been doing it since 1992.


www.bergweihnacht.com/events/krampusumzu... 


 

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2010 - 10:34AM #22
he-man
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Jan 3, 2010 -- 8:42PM, Ken wrote:

What on earth has the Church got to do with this? Schladming is a major ski resort. Although the Krampusumzug draws upon local folk traditions, it's essentially a show for the tourists. They've only been doing it since 1992. www.bergweihnacht.com/events/krampusumzu...



Indeed, what does "Krampus" or Santa have to do with the Church? www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/Companion...


The most recognized companions include Krampus in Austria, Bavaria, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary [spelled Krampusz]), Klaubauf (Bavaria), Bartel (Styria), Pelzebock, Pelznickel, Belzeniggl, Belsnickel (Pennsylvania), Schmutzli (Switzerland), Rumpelklas, Bellzebub, Hans Muff, Drapp or Buzebergt (Augsburg), Hanstrapp (Alsace, East of France) and Le Père Fouettard (Northern France).


You did not read what I quoted from the History Channel showing a Live Video that People STILL do observe that TODAY beating children and scaring them! Today not 20 years ago, TODAY!


Today, in Schladming, a town in Styria, over 1200 "Krampus" gather from all over Austria wearing goat-hair costumes and carved masks, carrying bundles of sticks used as switches, and swinging cowbells to warn of their approach.

1Ch 25:5  All these were the sons of Heman the king’s seer (chozeh= to see) in the words of God, to lift up the horn.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2010 - 1:05PM #23
Ken
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Jan 4, 2010 -- 10:34AM, he-man wrote:


Jan 3, 2010 -- 8:42PM, Ken wrote:

What on earth has the Church got to do with this? Schladming is a major ski resort. Although the Krampusumzug draws upon local folk traditions, it's essentially a show for the tourists. They've only been doing it since 1992. www.bergweihnacht.com/events/krampusumzu...



Indeed, what does "Krampus" or Santa have to do with the Church? www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/Companion...



I asked you a question. What has the Krampusumzug got to do with the Church? Is belief in the Krampus a doctrine of the Church? No, it is not. Does the Church sponsor or have any connection with the Krampusumzug in Schladming? No, it does not. The Krampusumzug is a secular event.


You did not read what I quoted from the History Channel showing a Live Video that People STILL do observe that TODAY beating children and scaring them! Today not 20 years ago, TODAY!


Today, in Schladming, a town in Styria, over 1200 "Krampus" gather from all over Austria wearing goat-hair costumes and carved masks, carrying bundles of sticks used as switches, and swinging cowbells to warn of their approach.



Please stop repeating the same thing over and over again. I have no patience with that. Yes, I did read what you quoted from the History Channel. If the History Channel claims that children are being beaten and frightened in Schladming, the History Channel is full of crap. The Krampusumzug  is nothing more than a somewhat tacky parade held as a tourist attraction. No children are beaten or frightened. Look at this video:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThSUOWeyFzQ


All you'll see is a bunch of guys in funny costumes screwing around.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2010 - 3:25PM #24
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Greek mythology and ancient Rome’s pagan holidays have been balled-and-chained upon a heedless, deceived world. New Years, Easter and Christmas, everyone is a pagan holiday, everyone used to stimulate the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets and have absolutely nothing to do with the worship of YAHWEH (GOD).


Mark 7:5-9 “Then the Pharisees and Scribes asked him, Why walk not your disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? 6) He answered and said unto them, Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honored me with their lips, but their hearts is far from me. 7) However, in vain do they worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men? 8) For laying aside the commandments of YAHWEH (GOD), you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups; and many other such things you do. 9) And he said unto them, Full well you reject the commandments of YAHWEH (GOD), that you may keep your own tradition.”


Did YAH (GOD) error when He established His cycles, set times and seasons? He certainly did not, for YAH’s (GOD) plan is a way of life. His laws or instructions are a way of life wherein if man will keep and do them he will live because life is a whole series of righteous actions and thoughts. It is the opposite of devil worship. Let us now consider the cycle of the seasons of celebrating and feasting (holidays).


Have you ever thought to question the origin of the pagan holiday “Christmas” and its historical perspective? First of all, the exact date of YAHSHUA’ the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) birth is entirely unknown as all authorities acknowledge, although most agree it was most likely in the early fall, the month of TISHRI (September/October). Nevertheless, if YAH (GOD) had wished us to observe this season and celebrate YAHSHUA (Jesus) of Nazareth’s birthday, He would not have so completely hidden the exact date. YAHSHUA (Jesus) was not born on the 25th of TEBETH (December), neither was it instituted by Bible authority. The celebration of Christmas came to the world from the Roman Catholic Church, and has no other authority. I was instituted in the 4th century A.D., the offshoot of an old Roman pagan festival which was in existence long before the birth of YAHSHUA (Jesus)!


Jeremiah 10:2-5 “Thus says YAHWEH (Lord), Learn not the ways of the nations (Gentiles), and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the nations (Gentiles) are dismayed at them. 3) For the customs of the peoples are vain; for one cuts a tree from the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4) They decorate it with silver and gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, so that it will not topple (fall). 5) They are upright, like a palm tree, and they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, for they cannot do evil, nor can they do any good.”


The prophet Jeremiah has certainly left no stone unturned in his description of this ancient pagan holiday. We can certainly discern that this is the custom of what is today called “Christmas.”


In the 4th century, A.D., Constantine, emperor of Rome, made Christianity the religion of Rome. The pagans that followed brought all of their idolatrous customs with them; they only changed the names. For example, the 25th of December war already celebrated as the birthday of the sun god. When the Romans became Christians, they simply changed it to the birthday if the Son of God by making the “U” an “O.” I ask you, can a leopard change his spots? Then, in a similar manner, no matter how long you call a cat a dog, he’s still a cat. You may now try to reason, “Even though Christmas was a pagan custom honoring the false sun god, we now do not observe it to honor a false god. We observe it in honor of Christ (Messiah).” For those that reason on that wise, the prophet states:


Deuteronomy 12:30-31 “Take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31) You shall not worship YAHWEH (Lord) your GOD in that way; for every abomination to YAHWEH (Lord) which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.”


Some of you will be shocked at this truth; some will be offended. However, I must show you our transgressions, how we are bound in sin, so that we may weigh, evaluate and make the necessary changes for our return unto YAH (GOD) in word and indeed. Before men can settle any spiritual controversies with YAH (GOD), men must first come to the realization of what causes problems. Then we must come into an understanding of what solves problems: knowledge of Truth and Justice, knowledge of what is right and what is wrong. There is no way a true sincere believer in YAH (GOD), could remain under the sentence of bondage if what we were doing is right! Our problems stem from our controversy with YAHWEH (GOD), and in our search we found religion and not righteousness. We were taught to say God, but not to worship YAH (GOD); we honor YAH (GOD) with our lips, but our hearts are far from Him, for our ways are the ways of adversity.


You work all year and buy your children toys and gifts. Then you lie by telling them that a fat (overweigh), rosy-cheeked man came riding through the sky on a sleigh of reindeer, landing on your roof to then come sliding down your chimney with a big bag of toys; and if that is not enough, he then goes back up the chimney and away he goes! All year long you are offended if your child tells a lie, then at Christmas time, you, yourselves, tell the Santa Claus or “Jolly-Old-St. Nick” lie (Old St. Nick or Nicholas was a Roman Catholic Bishop of the fifth century). It is no wondered that when they (children) learn the truth, they also tend to see YAH (GOD) as a myth. You have substituted the Truth of YAH (GOD) for a lie, and you love it!


Christmas, is nothing but an ancient pagan festival that was adopted by the Roman Catholic Church and given a Christian veneer. These facts have now become embarrassingly obvious.


The question now is:
Should a true believer in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel celebrate Christmas? Is it acceptable to enter into this festival and keep this pagan festival now that their heathen origins have become widely known? And will the Holy One of Israel object to one of His followers, say, attending a Christmas dinner or party? The Bible answer is absolutely clear on this point and IF you have the courage to read it. Turn to 1 Corinthians 10 and study verses 16-22 where you will find this question answered, and it amounts to this:

  • Those who eat festival sacrifices become united with the god to whom those sacrifices are made. - (verses 16-18)
  • Though the food partaken of is itself not intrinsically changed (verse 19) when a person partakes of and shares in a pagan festival or celebration, he/she becomes partner with the spirits of evil, the demon host who daily defy the dictates of the Almighty. - (verses 20-21)

As Paul says:


 


1 Corinthians 10:


20: But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to YAH (God): and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21: Ye cannot drink the cup of the YAHWEH (Lord), and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22: Do we provoke the YAHWEH (Lord) to jealousy? are we stronger than he?”



In other words, when a person celebrates Xmas, which was and still is motivated by the forces of evil, he/she is honoring the demons who conceived that pagan festival in the first place; demons who are totally opposed to the Holy Spirit of YAH (God); and who go out of their way too prompt mankind into committing all kinds of evil at their winter festival.


You may be sure the so-called ‘spirit of Xmas’ is not the Holy Spirit of the YAHWEH the God of the Bible.

  • Maxed Out Credit Cards
    • Rivalry
    • Selfishness
    • Greed
  • Drunkenness
    • Violence
    • Suicide
    • Depression
  • Loneliness
    • Lasciviousness
    • Debauchery
    • These are all Hallmarks of the Xmas season.

Ask any hospital emergency department or funeral industry and they will tell you it's their most dreaded time of the year! Everyone is now aware of these facts! People do not like the truth, including those who call themselves true believers of YAH (GOD).


NOW, LET’S ASK THE QUESTION - WHAT IS TRUTH?
Believe it or not this is an age-old question. According to the dictionary, truth is something that is in accordance with the facts, something genuine, correct and accurate, something that lives up to its claims. Do we find Truth in our society? Not much, you will agree.


Truth, for all its value, is not popular. Multiplied millions of people reject truth; simply because they love sin, even though they know it's wrong. Sin is a spiritual drug with deadly side-effects. Sin brings pleasure, instant pleasure: but in the end sin leads to death - eternal death!


The Bible says that just before the Saviour returns to earth, Truth (The Son, The Word & The Law of YAH) will be rejected in favour of fables, myths, entertaining fiction and outright sin. That time has come. It is here.


2 Timothy 4:


3: For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4: And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”


A fable is a story that is not based on fact. A fable is the opposite of truth. It is a legend, a myth handed down through the centuries. Fables are fiction. They are not truth. Strange as it may sound, fiction is becoming extremely popular these days. A visit to any library will prove this.


How accurate is the Bible when it says:
“They shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”


People are rejecting the Bible record of the creation. They are rejecting the law of YAH (God). Instead they are embracing fables, fiction and outright falsehood.


TRUTH IS INVINCIBLE
Truth is as powerful over falsehood as light is over darkness. Nothing can destroy the truth. Sinners may hate truth, reject truth and fight truth with all their might; but truth is unaffected: it cannot be destroyed. Truth is invincible. Truth can penetrate even the darkest recesses of the human mind. Truth is eternal, as eternal as YAH (God) Himself. The Apostle Paul writes in...


2 Corinthians 13:


8: “For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.”


The Christian church is guilty of placing the traditions of men above the commandments of YAH (God). The celebrating of Christmas, Easter, Ash-Wednesday, the Nativity of St John, the Feast of the Assumption, Halloween and Sunday etc. are all human traditions. Not one of these festivals was authorized by YAHWEH (God). They are all spiritual weeds in the Garden of Salvation. Celebrating them in preference to YAHWEH's Sabbaths is no more than self-deluding idolatry. These facts may stun or even anger some who read them. But they must be told! Because replacing a divine commandment with a human tradition is a very serious sin. At the coming Judgment would you forgive us for not telling you the Truth?


Matthew 5:


12: Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13: But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14: Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”


THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.


Romans 1:


20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”


NOT ONLY DO THE SAME,
BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM.


Romans 1:


32: Who knowing the judgment of YAHWEH (God), that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”


 


 Shalom! (May YAH Be With You)

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2010 - 4:03PM #25
Ken
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Jan 4, 2010 -- 3:25PM, Manofyah wrote:

Greek mythology and ancient Rome’s pagan holidays have been balled-and-chained upon a heedless, deceived world. New Years, Easter and Christmas, everyone is a pagan holiday, everyone used to stimulate the sale of merchandise in the commercial markets and have absolutely nothing to do with the worship of YAHWEH (GOD).


Good. If it weren't for the pagan holidays, Christianity would be the dreariest religion on earth. You must be one of those humorless, puritanical Christians who think "fun" is a dirty word.   

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2010 - 6:03PM #26
he-man
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Jan 4, 2010 -- 1:05PM, Ken wrote:

Jan 4, 2010 -- 10:34AM, he-man wrote:

Jan 3, 2010 -- 8:42PM, Ken wrote:

What on earth has the Church got to do with this? Schladming is a major ski resort. Although the Krampusumzug draws upon local folk traditions, it's essentially a show for the tourists. They've only been doing it since 1992. www.bergweihnacht.com/events/krampusumzu...



Indeed, what does "Krampus" or Santa have to do with the Church? www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/Companion...



I asked you a question. What has the Krampusumzug got to do with the Church? Is belief in the Krampus a doctrine of the Church? No, it is not. Does the Church sponsor or have any connection with the Krampusumzug in Schladming? No, it does not. The Krampusumzug is a secular event.

You did not read what I quoted from the History Channel showing a Live Video that People STILL do observe that TODAY beating children and scaring them! Today not 20 years ago, TODAY!


Today, in Schladming, a town in Styria, over 1200 "Krampus" gather from all over Austria wearing goat-hair costumes and carved masks, carrying bundles of sticks used as switches, and swinging cowbells to warn of their approach.



Please stop repeating the same thing over and over again. I have no patience with that. Yes, I did read what you quoted from the History Channel. If the History Channel claims that children are being beaten and frightened in Schladming, the History Channel is full of crap. The Krampusumzug  is nothing more than a somewhat tacky parade held as a tourist attraction. No children are beaten or frightened. Look at this video:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThSUOWeyFzQ All you'll see is a bunch of guys in funny costumes screwing around.


A bunch of Guys? Come on now,it is NOT funny, it is cruel and Psychotic sadistic endangerment, a peril the way they are dressed as MONSTERS hitting people from your own videos and scaring them to death
krampuslauf tirol
aber nicht in dieser nacht But not in this night
Sie werden euch finden Ηe will find you  and they Look like a DEVIL MONSTER
I especially like the one titled "Krampus monsters outside Salzburg 2006" where they hit people with sticks


What does Santa or Krampusumzug have  to do with the Church? Nothing PERIOD so why are you trying to pull the wool over the eyes of innocent children?


That is exactly my point. There is NO Santa, NO Krampusumzug.


Watch this video and select the fourth picture down on the right "European Ancient Customs ": www.history.com/content/christmas/christ...


Then go to this website for the information I gave you:


www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/Companion...


 

1Ch 25:5  All these were the sons of Heman the king’s seer (chozeh= to see) in the words of God, to lift up the horn.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 04, 2010 - 6:24PM #27
Ken
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Jan 4, 2010 -- 6:03PM, he-man wrote:

You did not read what I quoted from the History Channel showing a Live Video that People STILL do observe that TODAY beating children and scaring them! Today not 20 years ago, TODAY!


You're repeating yourself again. Didn't I tell you not to do that?


A bunch of Guys? Come on now, they are dressed as MONSTERS hitting people from your own videos and scaring them to death


I said they were a bunch of guys in funny costumes, and so they are. They aren't hitting anybody and they aren't scaring anyone to death. On the contrary, the audience seems to be enjoying the show. It's a tourist event.


What does Santa or Krampusumzug have  to do with the Church? Nothing PERIOD so why are you trying to pull the wool over the eyes of innocent children?


If Santa and the Krampusumzug have nothing to do with the Church, why did you bother to mention the Church? Who cares about the Church? And why do you accuse me of trying to pull the wool over the eyes of innocent children? I don't even know any children. 


That is exactly my point. There is NO Santa, NO Krampusumzug.


Well, there certainly is a Krampusumzug because that's the name of the event. But there's no Santa and no Krampus. So what? I get the idea you're trying to make some kind of point, but you don't clearly state it. You need to do that. You also need to stop repeating yourself. Seriously.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2010 - 9:28AM #28
he-man
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I will repeat and judge as repulsive all acts of violence, real or imagined!


Certainly is it a Pagan practice and NOT to be believed or practiced by people who claim to be Christians. It is a farce for anyone to attempt to relate that type of behavior as having anything to do with Christmas or the Birth of Christ.


You think because you do not know any children, that makes it okay to dress in fake costumes depicting demons with long red tongues, horns, goulish looking figures and they do not scare young children?


I suppose that is is okay to post pornographic pictures of children too, because you do not know any? What sordid type of entertainment do you call the resemblance of "sleazy characters " in Satonic masks and the beatings, chains, cow bells, and carrying children off in a sack to be dumped in a river ?


It is a morally degraded; foul and run-down and repulsive cheap, debased, degeneration of godly ethics based upon an unfounded superstitous belief in demons. 


I worked for the Dept of Social Services, Childrens Division. If that happened in the USA they would be thrown in jail where they belong with other criminals who abuse children.


We fielded  calls on an abuse HOT LINE all day long and they were never as cruel as that! It is NOT funny, it is cruel and Psychotic, sadistic endangerment of children, and  a peril to their lives.


Like the one titled "Krampus monsters outside Salzburg 2006" where they hit people with sticks.


or here www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/Companion...

1Ch 25:5  All these were the sons of Heman the king’s seer (chozeh= to see) in the words of God, to lift up the horn.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2010 - 10:42AM #29
Ken
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Jan 5, 2010 -- 9:28AM, he-man wrote:

Certainly is it a Pagan practice and NOT to be believed or practiced by people who claim to be Christians. It is a farce for anyone to attempt to relate that type of behavior as having anything to do with Christmas or the Birth of Christ.


Most Christmas customs have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. In fact, Christmas itself is a pagan festival that was taken over by Christians in the fourth century. If it weren't for a few pagan customs, Christianity would be an intolerably dreary religion. Think of Geneva under Calvin or Massachussetts under the Puritans.    


You think because you do not know any children, that makes it okay to dress in fake costumes depicting demons with long red tongues, horns, goulish looking figures and they do not scare young children?


I didn't see any young children being frightened in those videos. I saw children and adults enjoying a parade.


I suppose that is is okay to post pornographic pictures of children too, because you do not know any? What sordid type of entertainment do you call the resemblance of "sleazy characters " in Satonic masks and the beatings, chains, cow bells, and carrying children off in a sack to be dumped in a river ?


The Krampusumzug has nothing to do with pornography. I didn't see any children being dumped in a river either. Austria is a modern European nation. It has laws against dumping children in rivers.


It is a morally degraded; foul and run-down and repulsive cheap, debased, degeneration of godly ethics based upon an unfounded superstitous belief in demons.


Nobody believes that the performers in the Krampusumzug are demons. The Krampusumzug is a tourist event that began in 1992. The advertising makes it clear that the performers are wearing costumes.


Like the one titled "Krampus monsters outside Salzburg 2006" where they hit people with sticks.


I watched that video. I saw one adult being lightly swatted with a floppy object. Big deal.


Your indignation is misplaced.  




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5 years ago  ::  Jan 05, 2010 - 3:49PM #30
he-man
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Jan 5, 2010 -- 10:42AM, Ken wrote:

Most Christmas customs have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. In fact, Christmas itself is a pagan festival that was taken over by Christians in the fourth century. If it weren't for a few pagan customs, Christianity would be an intolerably dreary religion. Think of Geneva under Calvin or Massachussetts under the Puritans.


It sounds like you have a HONEY of a time with your sorcerers.  Strange but My God does not agree with you. Le 19:31  Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.


Re 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.


Pr 15:32  He that refuses instruction despises his own soul: but he that hears reproof gets understanding.
14 Whoever boasts himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
16 Have you found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for you, lest you be filled therewith, and vomit it.

Jan 5, 2010 -- 10:42AM, Ken wrote:

I didn't see any young children being frightened in those videos. I saw children and adults enjoying a parade.[


I see children hiding behind their parents and if you would watch the video, you would see the children and others being beaten and dragged away.

Jan 5, 2010 -- 10:42AM, Ken wrote:

The Krampusumzug has nothing to do with pornography.


It is just as vile and debased as pornography.


Jan 5, 2010 -- 10:42AM, Ken wrote:

I didn't see any children being dumped in a river either. Austria is a modern European nation. It has laws against dumping children in rivers.


Or scaring them into thinking if they are not good they will be? Then  you obviously did not watch www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/Companion...



Jan 5, 2010 -- 10:42AM, Ken wrote:

Nobody believes that the performers in the Krampusumzug are demons. The Krampusumzug is a tourist event that began in 1992. The advertising makes it clear that the performers are wearing costumes.


Costumes that portray A Demon or Devil?


Jan 5, 2010 -- 10:42AM, Ken wrote:

I watched that video. I saw one adult being lightly swatted with a floppy object. Big deal.


but you obviously did not watch www.bing.com/reference/semhtml/Companion...

1Ch 25:5  All these were the sons of Heman the king’s seer (chozeh= to see) in the words of God, to lift up the horn.
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