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Did an Asteroid Kill the Dinosaurs?
2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 8:46AM #1
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The following was posted by udtscb on a different thread:


 


Of the following scientific papers to be presented at a scientific conference, which would you have most confidence in their findings and conclusion for the question "Did an Asteroid Kill the Dinosaurs"? 




Select one paper and explain why it was most convincing to you.




Paper 1: Professor Udcstb research findings: Iridium layer at K/T boundary and potassium argon dated crater in Yucatan indicates that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs.




Paper 2: The President of the Academy reveals a long held strong inner conviction that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs.




Paper 3: It has been privately revealed to Professor FiftySeven that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs.




Paper 4: Professor Faith was brought up to have total and unquestioning faith that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs.




Paper 5: Professor Hawkins has promulgated an official dogma binding on all loyal Hawkinsians that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs.


 


The problem with did dinosaurs being wiped out 65+ MY's ago by an asteroid are numerous...and only the blinded box themselves in with their biased unscientific approach.  (5 examples of blindness were presented above by ...udtscb.)


 


For example if the dinosaurs were actually wiped out 65+ MY's ago..why the folllowing:


Delk Tracks.


Over 75 Ancient Dinosaur depictions 


Soft T-Rex Tissue


 


...and there's more:


 


Living fossils. 



Despite the argument that time  coupled with  mutations,  and the normal pressures of evolutionary change should have been more than enough to introduce major morphological change into the living fossils. Considering the above,  the event  surrounding the K/T boundary and the massive change to the earth and the  insignificant changes to the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs make the likelihood of living fossils impossible and unfounded.


According to the old earth  uniformitarian theory the whole world was upset in an iridium nightmare when a big time major world wide ecological “niche” changing event happened after an asteroid slammed into the earth, ...but, some how,  species such as the Coelacanth,  Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs  apparently weren't effected at all by the  catastrophic event. 


Despite this catastrophic event it is  amazing  that the evolutionist still claim that these living fossils conformed to their very own particular ecological niche.  Some how they were able to pass through this world wide niche changing catastrophic event at the K/T boundary.  It was at this time, 65 million years ago, that the evolutionist claim  that 75% or so of all species from a wide range of taxonomic groupings on the land, in the skies and under the seas were wiped out forever. 


It’s interesting to note that each of the above mentioned living fossils are claimed to have pre-dated this  catastrophic event by tens of million years with virtually no change prior to or after the catastrophic event.


Certainly after an event such as the supposed mass extinction mentioned above, the changed environment, disappearing food chains on land and in the seas, tsunamis crashing into continents, fire scorched landscapes, sun blocked “winters”  and their temperature changes would have caused the tempo of evolution to increase  all over the surface of the globe, in the air  and under the seas.   This increased evolutionary tempo would have allowed for the selection of new beneficial mutations while scrambling to create new dramatically varied species that thrived in the new environmental biomes created on the land, in the air and under the seas.


To perplex the issue even more, besides the mutational/natural selective changes mentioned above that should have occurred during the last 65 million years there is yet another mechanism that the evolutionist claim introduces major morphological changes into animals.  This mechanism is Genetic Drift.  Apparently in the last 65 + million years  this process also produced no significant change where according to their theories a  considerable change should have occurred to the  Coelacanth,  Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs as their niches were upset.


The evolutionist say that change does happen.  Shortly after the catastrophic event that supposably happened 65 million years ago at the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary, in a period of less than 50 million years a four legged wolf like animal Andrewsarchus (or what ever the latest evolution scenario is) is claimed to have evolved into a sleek sea creature.  In this time period Andrewsarchus lost its legs as they turned into flippers, developed a spout with a new breathing system that contained special valves for shutting the nostrils, echo location system, blubber and other whale like features.....all while the living fossil Crocodile watched from the swamp as the Tuatara peeped his head out of his borrow under the shade of a the Ginko tree and Wollemi Pine.  Meanwhile,  the Horseshoe crabs scurried along the bay floors and the Coelacanth swam by in the oceans and didn't change outside  of their normal genetic variations ...despite the morphological mutations and genetic drift that would have occurred over the millions upon millions  of years as the species felt the  massive environmental change to the fauna in it’s biome at the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary that the evolutionist tell us happened 15 million years prior.


Living fossils such as the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs do an enormous amount of damage to the evolutionary theories.  These currently living species appear almost identical to their fossil counterparts.  The question is, how did these “living fossils”...animals and plants ...survive the  many millions upon millions of years with virtually no change? Perhaps they could last a few hundred thousand years unchanged, but according to evolutionary theories certainly not millions upon millions of years. 


Some evolutionist will argue that these species found a special “ecological niche” and despite the enourmous amount of mutations that they say would have occurred naturally in those millions of years they were somehow not exposed to the pressures presented by normal evolutionary change.


The existence of the Coelacanth,  Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs are great example of creation.  It shows that  animals reproduce after their “kind” and don’t really change in the fashion in which the evolutionist claim.  It seem as if the DNA and genetic code for the Coelacanth,  Tuatara, Ginko tree, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs has  been resistant to change through out it’s history....as expected.  


It is just one more indication that scientist should view the geological column and the animals trapped in the fossil record as contemporanious rather than seperated by long time frames.



 


 

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 9:02AM #2
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So what was the main cause of the demise of the dinosaurs?


The answer is...a flood. The Dinosaur National Monument people almost got it right.


Why are there so many bones in one place? The rock around them is made up of sand and gravel, just like the sand and gravel you might see along a large river. Such a river flowed through this area 150 million of years ago, and many dinosaurs lived near it. Now and then some of them died near the river. During rainy seasons, the river overflowed its banks--just as many rivers do now--and picked up some of the dead dinosaurs lying nearby. A few of those bodies were whole, but many had probably decayed or been eaten by other animals, so that just the bones were left. The bones and bodies were carried by the river and deposited in the main channel. The current buried them with sand and gravel. The place that is now the Quarry was at one time a river channel.

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 9:12AM #3
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So 57 chooses paper 4.   Good choice there. 


(Anyone else see that my excercise went WAY over 57's intellect.  Ask what day of the week it is, and 57 answers 1859)

"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand."
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 9:24AM #4
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Living fossils such as the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs do an enormous amount of damage to the evolutionary theories.


No, it doesn't.  Evolution says you need to adapt to a changing environment ... but only if you can't deal with it already.  The reason those things haven't changed much is because they didn't need to.  It's kinda like the joke you'd need to have nuclear war to destroy a cockroach.  If you're just that awesome, there's no real reason to change.


Religions that championed the idea of a one-dimensional eternal being, for example, got bitten in the ass when it became rather obvious to anyone who bothered opening their eyes that life is filled with flux.  Religions that already talk about flux have lasted rather well with maybe a few permutations, but not nearly as many as the ones who still latch onto the idea of unchanging reality.  Christianity over-philosophized God and reality because Plato sounded much more rational than the bible, which has plenty of ups and downs in the plot to imply the complex nature of the universe, which forced a shattering into a gazillion denominations so that everyone could have their pet views without just saying the obvious:  life is not a still photo.  Christianity had to change their setup because it wasn't built for an accurate reflection of life.  Yet religious/philosophical traditions which held views much closer to reality are still just plugging along like they always did.

Knock and the door shall open.  It's not my fault if you don't like the decor.
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 9:31AM #5
udcstb
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Iwantamotto chooses the evidence based paper 1.  Excellent choice there. 


57, do you want to change your choice now?

"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand."
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 10:10AM #6
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Nov 25, 2009 -- 9:12AM, udcstb wrote:


So 57 chooses paper 4.   Good choice there. 


(Anyone else see that my excercise went WAY over 57's intellect.  Ask what day of the week it is, and 57 answers 1859)




 


I think it my be paper 2.  I have no idea what 57's childhood was like.  Undecided


The one thing we can be assured of is that 57 would not pick paper 1.

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 10:15AM #7
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Nov 25, 2009 -- 9:12AM, udcstb wrote:


So 57 chooses paper 4.   Good choice there. 


(Anyone else see that my excercise went WAY over 57's intellect.  Ask what day of the week it is, and 57 answers 1859)



Once again there is the need for the evos to  use ad-hominem style attacks.  I call them cowards.

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 10:17AM #8
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It seems fairly obvious to anyone who spends time thinking about these sorts of things would realize that IF there were a flood, there would be specific effects on lifeforms.


 


First, we should be able to observe, everywhere on earth, a deposit of the bones of all forms of life, all mixed up together.


There would be no intact skeletons for ANYTHING killed in the flood.


Why?


Well, common sense, of course.


Put bodies into water for over a month, especially turbulent waters filled with other debris such as all the trees which would have been uprooted and floating about.


Prolonged exposure to constantly moving water filled with things to crash into would mean all the bodies would have become complete soaked, bloated, softened and would have been pulled apart.



IF the flood actually happened, we should see no intact fossils or find any skeletons intact.


That fact that we DO find them intact is evidence there WAS NO FLOOD.


 


Even a child could work that out with a thought experiment and spending just a bit of time looking up the effects prolonged water exposure has on flesh....

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 10:18AM #9
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Nov 25, 2009 -- 9:24AM, Iwantamotto wrote:


Living fossils such as the Coelacanth, Tuatara, Ginko tree, Wollemi Pine, Crocodiles and Horseshoe crabs do an enormous amount of damage to the evolutionary theories.


No, it doesn't.  Evolution says you need to adapt to a changing environment ... but only if you can't deal with it already.  The reason those things haven't changed much is because they didn't need to.  It's kinda like the joke you'd need to have nuclear war to destroy a cockroach.  If you're just that awesome, there's no real reason to change.



That's your logic? 


My post presented several reasons why they should have changed over your so-called  deep time.   Perhaps you should go re-read it.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Nov 25, 2009 - 10:21AM #10
Kwinters
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Nov 25, 2009 -- 10:15AM, 57 wrote:


Nov 25, 2009 -- 9:12AM, udcstb wrote:


So 57 chooses paper 4.   Good choice there. 


(Anyone else see that my excercise went WAY over 57's intellect.  Ask what day of the week it is, and 57 answers 1859)



Once again there is the need for the evos to  use ad-hominem style attacks.  I call them cowards.






 


And calling them cowards is an ad-hominem.  So I guess you can't bitch about their use of ad-hominems if you use them too, can you?


 

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