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7 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2009 - 10:09PM #151
Ken
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Nov 4, 2009 -- 6:11PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Nov 2, 2009 -- 4:35PM, Ken wrote:


Nov 2, 2009 -- 2:06PM, 8subjectartist wrote:

And the incest avenue is not viable because that would imply there was an alternate path for man at that time in his infancy to procreate which there was not.




If there was no other path than incest, man should have declined to procreate at all. Incest is naughty.




 


Incest was biblical / not commanded against, until God commanded Israel through Moses at Mt. Sinai, that it was unlawful (at least 600 years post-The Flood).


Then God was naughty too. He should have known better.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 14, 2009 - 6:52AM #152
Agnostic
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You're absolutely right.  Clearly Eve was a divine creation, separate from Adam.  Eve was created in the divine image of God Herself.   In contrast, Adam evolved from primates with lower intelligence.  It should be obvious that women are innately superior to males.


The Bible shows this.  The very name for "the Lord" is Yahvah.  Eve in Hebrew is Chavah.  If you look at the original Hebrew letters, they are even more nearly identical.  


Each time a female is born, it is another divine creation.  Males, on the other hand, bear far too much similarity to apes of lesser intelligence.  It should be obvious.


The Genesis story shows God leading the animals and beasts to Adam for a potential mate, because Adam was just an animal.  Adam almost chose a dog for a mate.   But God, in Her infinite wisdom, realized Adam was not capable of living without divine help, so God gave a replica of Herself to watch over Adam.


This is clear from the Hebrew word, usually translated as "help mate"  It is "Ezer," a word which does mean help.  But in the Bible, it only appears as a term for God Herself, or for Eve.  David says, "God is my Help (Ezer)"    Eve, the Woman, was Adam's Help (Ezer).   It was Adam who needed help, divine assistance.  Eve was provided.   She did not evolve.  She had a separate divine creation.


Scientists generally are correct.  Adam evolved.    But religion is also correct, Eve was a Divine Creation.    All the violence is the world is caused by men, who have barely evolved past their lower primate origins.   Even with divine assistance from women, they often are unable to advance beyond their atavistic nature.

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 14, 2009 - 11:04AM #153
Jcarlinbn
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Dec 14, 2009 -- 6:52AM, Agnostic wrote:

You're absolutely right.  Clearly Eve was a divine creation, separate from Adam.  Eve was created in the divine image of God Herself.   In contrast, Adam evolved from primates with lower intelligence.  It should be obvious that women are innately superior to males.


The Bible shows this.  The very name for "the Lord" is Yahvah.  Eve in Hebrew is Chavah.  If you look at the original Hebrew letters, they are even more nearly identical.  


Each time a female is born, it is another divine creation.  Males, on the other hand, bear far too much similarity to apes of lesser intelligence.  It should be obvious.


The Genesis story shows God leading the animals and beasts to Adam for a potential mate, because Adam was just an animal.  Adam almost chose a dog for a mate.   But God, in Her infinite wisdom, realized Adam was not capable of living without divine help, so God gave a replica of Herself to watch over Adam.


This is clear from the Hebrew word, usually translated as "help mate"  It is "Ezer," a word which does mean help.  But in the Bible, it only appears as a term for God Herself, or for Eve.  David says, "God is my Help (Ezer)"    Eve, the Woman, was Adam's Help (Ezer).   It was Adam who needed help, divine assistance.  Eve was provided.   She did not evolve.  She had a separate divine creation.


Scientists generally are correct.  Adam evolved.    But religion is also correct, Eve was a Divine Creation.    All the violence is the world is caused by men, who have barely evolved past their lower primate origins.   Even with divine assistance from women, they often are unable to advance beyond their atavistic nature. 


Best interpretation of Genesis 2 yet! 


More on Blue Roads especially for Agnostic.   

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 14, 2009 - 3:16PM #154
Ridcully
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Dec 14, 2009 -- 11:04AM, Jcarlinbn wrote:


Dec 14, 2009 -- 6:52AM, Agnostic wrote:

You're absolutely right.  Clearly Eve was a divine creation, separate from Adam.  ... 


Best interpretation of Genesis 2 yet! 


More on Blue Roads especially for Agnostic.   




That's great, and I'm sure my wife would have a lot of empathy with that interpretation. 

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 19, 2009 - 10:21PM #155
iamachildofhis
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Nov 4, 2009 -- 9:55PM, Bl├╝ wrote:


Abner


You would agree with him, which is why you are (by your own admission!) evil.  You have no moral center of your own, you just follow orders.


Yes, iama's specific on the point.


Though - she hasn't answered the question whether she'd kill her children if Yahweh told her to (as he told Abraham, for instance).




Blu, Abraham and Isaac are / were an illustration, a type of God-Father and God-Son.


There is no need for another picture of God willingly sacrificing His Son, since The Son of The Father has already been sacrificed at Calvary!


He rose from death, too, by the way. Isaac, the type of Christ Jesus, rose from death in the type, because Abraham had every intention of obeying. A substitute sacrifice, the ram caught in the thicket, was provided for Isaac, just as a substitute sacrifice has been provided for each of us, Christ Jesus, The Lamb of God.


Jesus is the reason for this season. He was born to die - The Lamb of God - for us.


 


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7 years ago  ::  Dec 19, 2009 - 10:28PM #156
iamachildofhis
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Nov 4, 2009 -- 10:09PM, Ken wrote:


Nov 4, 2009 -- 6:11PM, iamachildofhis wrote:


Nov 2, 2009 -- 4:35PM, Ken wrote:


Nov 2, 2009 -- 2:06PM, 8subjectartist wrote:


And the incest avenue is not viable because that would imply there was an alternate path for man at that time in his infancy to procreate which there was not.




If there was no other path than incest, man should have declined to procreate at all. Incest is naughty.




 


Incest was biblical / not commanded against, until God commanded Israel through Moses at Mt. Sinai, that it was unlawful (at least 600 years post-The Flood).




Then God was naughty too. He should have known better.




 


Sin is what God says is sin. Sin is missing the mark. Our Creator-God is the mark of perfection.


Genetics / degenerative defective DNA is the only reason that society / God has for making incest illegal, today.


"In the beginning" before DNA genes had become so mutated, there was absolutely no reason for not marrying your close relative!


 


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7 years ago  ::  Dec 19, 2009 - 10:31PM #157
iamachildofhis
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Dec 14, 2009 -- 6:52AM, Agnostic wrote:


You're absolutely right.  Clearly Eve was a divine creation, separate from Adam.  Eve was created in the divine image of God Herself.   In contrast, Adam evolved from primates with lower intelligence.  It should be obvious that women are innately superior to males.


The Bible shows this.  The very name for "the Lord" is Yahvah.  Eve in Hebrew is Chavah.  If you look at the original Hebrew letters, they are even more nearly identical.  


Each time a female is born, it is another divine creation.  Males, on the other hand, bear far too much similarity to apes of lesser intelligence.  It should be obvious.


The Genesis story shows God leading the animals and beasts to Adam for a potential mate, because Adam was just an animal.  Adam almost chose a dog for a mate.   But God, in Her infinite wisdom, realized Adam was not capable of living without divine help, so God gave a replica of Herself to watch over Adam.


This is clear from the Hebrew word, usually translated as "help mate"  It is "Ezer," a word which does mean help.  But in the Bible, it only appears as a term for God Herself, or for Eve.  David says, "God is my Help (Ezer)"    Eve, the Woman, was Adam's Help (Ezer).   It was Adam who needed help, divine assistance.  Eve was provided.   She did not evolve.  She had a separate divine creation.


Scientists generally are correct.  Adam evolved.    But religion is also correct, Eve was a Divine Creation.    All the violence is the world is caused by men, who have barely evolved past their lower primate origins.   Even with divine assistance from women, they often are unable to advance beyond their atavistic nature.




Eve was, and Eve of necessity had to have been "of Adam". All humans needed to have been "in Adam" so that "all could be in Christ Jesus" the second Adam, Who redeemed all of Adam's offspring.


 


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7 years ago  ::  Dec 21, 2009 - 12:09PM #158
teilhard
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Dec 14, 2009 -- 11:04AM, Jcarlinbn wrote:


Dec 14, 2009 -- 6:52AM, Agnostic wrote:


... men, who have barely evolved past their lower primate origins.   Even with divine assistance from women, they often are unable to advance beyond their atavistic nature. 



 



  




 


THAT is why


"REAL" Men don't:


(1)  Read "Assembly Instructions" ...


(2)  Look at The Map before starting on The Trip ...


(3)  Stop to ask for Directions ...


 


( ALL of which explains WHY "The Wise Men From The East"


didn't arrive in Bethlehem to Honor The NewBorn King


until He was already at least a year old ... as per "Matthew" ... )

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 22, 2009 - 6:00PM #159
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iam: Eve was, and Eve of necessity had to have been "of Adam". All humans needed to have been "in Adam" so that "all could be in Christ Jesus" the second Adam, Who redeemed all of Adam's offspring.


Yawn.


Agnostic's human-derived interpretation of that story is just as valid as your human-derived interpretation, Iam, and carries with it the additional charms of wit, good observation of human nature and a much-needed dose of gender equality.  Her version wins my vote!


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7 years ago  ::  Dec 22, 2009 - 6:55PM #160
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Dec 22, 2009 -- 6:00PM, McAtheist wrote:


iam: Eve was, and Eve of necessity had to have been "of Adam". All humans needed to have been "in Adam" so that "all could be in Christ Jesus" the second Adam, Who redeemed all of Adam's offspring.


Yawn.


 




The Son of Man saves the fallen by example.  One can only change their self.  The Son of Man can not save those that knowingly sin, without repentence.


He watched from above, before his tongue was bound, and he became as a man.


Matthew 12.49: "And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!"


The Son of Man came to divide.  He came to turn families against each other (Matthew 10.35-10.38).


A father has a child, and that child has a father that is a teacher.  The father is a poor teacher, because he follows hearsay, and greed.  The child knows no difference, because the other fathers are similar.  They say "this is the way" as their fathers before them, without knowing, without seeing the evil they have done, and the joy we could all know without greed, away from this prison of death.


Shut the door.  Keep away from those that do not know, as they answer for pride, as you ask out of pride.  Seek Adonai!  Adonai will answer.  Learn to walk again, do not expect Adonai to lift you up, and waddle you along.

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