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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:24PM #481
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teilhard


such Compassion-as-a-Way-of-Life UNDERLINES the inherent  Universal MEANING of "Life" as "Good" AS a Central "Meaning" ... Yes ...  ???


It appears to affirm the importance of mirror neurons (or some equivalent) in socialization and compassion.  I don't think the evidence supports much more than that.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:24PM #482
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 4:57PM, Wendyness wrote:


Very true and sad.  Life is not always good, more importantly that I am good in life, that I live a life that does not bring harm and  suffering to others and to be helpful to those that I come across that suffer.  To have compassion and to love is what makes life good.



I agree. To have pizza also makes life good. Hmmm, I think I'll have some tonight!

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:34PM #483
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"Now, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.'


When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness' — then you should enter & remain in them."


Gautama Buddha, The Kalama Sutra, tr. Thanissaro Bhikkhu


 

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:35PM #484
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 4:56PM, teilhard wrote:


VERY few Organisms spend their lives writhing in Agony, cursing The Creator and yearning for The Release brought by Death ...



That's true. Most organisms have no clue about any creator to curse. Most can't curse anyway.


MOST of the Time "Life" IS mostly "Good" ... .



Not for most people.   

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:36PM #485
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 5:34PM, Blü wrote:


"Now, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.'


When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness' — then you should enter & remain in them."


Gautama Buddha, The Kalama Sutra, tr. Thanissaro Bhikkhu


 




Amen.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:39PM #486
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 5:35PM, redshifted wrote:


Mar 3, 2010 -- 4:56PM, teilhard wrote:


VERY few Organisms spend their lives writhing in Agony, cursing The Creator and yearning for The Release brought by Death ...



That's true. Most organisms have no clue about any creator to curse. Most can't curse anyway.


MOST of the Time "Life" IS mostly "Good" ... .



Not for most people.   



So ... You DO Imagine MOST People spending most of their Lives writing in Agony, cursing The Creator and YEARNING for Death ... ???


Is your Claim backed by Objective Observations/Data ... ???

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:46PM #487
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Oh why, oh why did I even try to engage in discussion with teilhard?  

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:50PM #488
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 5:46PM, redshifted wrote:


Oh why, oh why did I even try to engage in discussion with teilhard?  



IOW, your Claim ISN'T backed by Objective Observations & Data ...


Your CLAIM that most Living Things DO spend most of their Lives writhing in Agony, cursing The Creator, and YEARNING for DEATH to RELEASE them from Suffering ... is nothing more than your own Impressionistic Subjective Projection ...

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:56PM #489
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 5:50PM, teilhard wrote:


IOW, your Claim ISN'T backed by Objective Observations & Data ...



What claim is that exactly? And why do you all of sudden care about objective data? I thought it was all about E-X-P-E-R-I-E-N-C-E...

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:58PM #490
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 5:50PM, teilhard wrote:


Your CLAIM that most Living Things DO spend most of their Lives writhing in Agony, cursing The Creator, and YEARNING for DEATH to RELEASE them from Suffering ...



No, this was your imagined strawman. I never claimed that "most living things spend their lives writhing in Agony, cursing The Creator, and YEARNING  for DEATH, blah, blah...."

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