willie

You said, "our brain"

No, she said our brain function, meaning human brain function, not at all implying the possessory relationship you assert.

the brain is the possession of an entity

No, the brain generates the sense of being an entity.

Does the disbelief that  someone is just a brain related to brains also?

If you mean, Does the brain do the disbelieving when you disbelieve something?, then the answer is, yes.  That includes disbelieving that the brain does the disbelieving when you disbelieve something.

May 10, 2010 -- 11:09PM, Blü wrote:

willie

You said, "our brain"

No, she said our brain function, meaning human brain function, not at all implying the possessory relationship you assert. Our brain function, still implies that we speak of it as a possession.

 

the brain is the possession of an entity

No, the brain generates the sense of being an entity. Me being an entity is based on me consciously knowing my individuality " I AM " if this comes from a brain is still being debated.

 

Does the disbelief that someone is just a brain related to brains also?

If you mean, Does the brain do the disbelieving when you disbelieve something?, then the answer is, yes.  That includes disbelieving that the brain does the disbelieving when you disbelieve something. So if i don't believe that my brain is the seat of consciousness even though it knows that it is, this disbelief is coming from my brain. Or does my brain know anything? is it even conscious that it functions?

 

May 11, 2010 -- 8:48PM, Blü wrote:

Willie

Our brain function, still implies that we speak of it as a possession.

It simply means that humans possess brain function.  Is that in dispute? To me it means that humans possess a brain that performs functions. It is a organ within a body, an important organ, but it doesn't define me.

Me being an entity is based on me consciously knowing my individuality " I AM " if this comes from a brain is still being debated.

No, it's not still being debated in any relevant sense.  You'll find not a single article in any respected journal of science that suggests your identity is generated anywhere but in your brain.  If you disagree, refer us to the article. Check out a book titled, the after death experments by Gary Schwartz.

So if i don't believe that my brain is the seat of consciousness even though it knows that it is, this disbelief is coming from my brain. Or does my brain know anything? is it even conscious that it functions?

Your conscious brain has extremely little insight into what your non-conscious brain is doing.

For example, you have no idea where the words you type on the screen were in your brain before you typed them, yet they have to be chosen, assembled and turned into instructions to your muscles before you can type them. 

You have no idea how your brain tells your left hand to scratch your left hip. It scratches it because i feel a itch, and when i want the itching feeling to stop it arranges for me to move my arm and fingers. I feel itch, desire to stop itch, it responds. Does my brain experience the sensation of the itch?

You have no idea why you suddenly remember that you're due at the florist's at 3 pm. 

You have no inkling that the flush of adrenaline that has you fully alert when you think you hear a burglar is generated by your brain in response to the sound - nor how. Since it's inconceivable that to me opens up other possibilities. Is it my brain though that has disbelief that it is the seat of consciousness? do beliefs even come from the brain? A belief is more than just mere thought, thoughts are just mental language, they let you know what you believe.  They are barometers of what is in your heart ( the metaphysical one ). My beliefs though seem to form my character and how i will respond in certin circumstances. A belief is not something that can be understood by mathematical language, you can brainwash someone but their are factors of will and conditioning involved. We are not automated beings.

And so on.

May 13, 2010 -- 9:09PM, Blü wrote:

Willie

NDEs aren't evidence of a soul.  Nor can Schwartz make them so.  The evidence says they're mental phenomena.  The clincher is that we have not one authenticated claim of anyone returning from an NDE or OBE with remote knowledge about reality that they didn't have before.

The 'self' is generated by brain function.  No brain, no self - very easy demonstration.

 

 

I don't think Gary E Schwartz book deals with NDEs but you should check out NDEs.com interesting stuff.