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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 1:16AM #51
Jcarlinbn
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Jun 1, 2009 -- 12:09AM, 57 wrote:


It's nice of you to mention these small genetic changes....now you need to explain how these small genetic changes get selected...then added to...NOT just assume they do. 



Did you read the rest of the post you quoted, or were the words too big for you? I explained how the gene for speech got selected, then things like mutations to increase the size and complexity of the speech centers of the brain added up to the incredibly flexible and sophisticated language capabilities we have today.  The language is even capable of explaining how small genetic changes get selected to creationists and how other mutations add up to produce speech, writing, and the internet.  Whether creationists will bother to use all those facilities to read the explanation is a different question.  Sometimes I think they are still stuck East of Eden barely able to distinguish good from evil, let alone follow a scientific discussion.  

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 9:30AM #52
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Jun 1, 2009 -- 1:16AM, Jcarlinbn wrote:

Jun 1, 2009 -- 12:09AM, 57 wrote:


It's nice of you to mention these small genetic changes....now you need to explain how these small genetic changes get selected...then added to...NOT just assume they do. 



Did you read the rest of the post you quoted, or were the words too big for you? I explained how the gene for speech got selected, then things like mutations to increase the size and complexity of the speech centers of the brain added up to the incredibly flexible and sophisticated language capabilities we have today.  The language is even capable of explaining how small genetic changes get selected to creationists and how other mutations add up to produce speech, writing, and the internet.  Whether creationists will bother to use all those facilities to read the explanation is a different question.  Sometimes I think they are still stuck East of Eden barely able to distinguish good from evil, let alone follow a scientific discussion.  


Well, I think it's pretty clear that 57 is inherently incapable of understanding any post that explains the truth about evolution. And that s/he is incapable of admitting that such posts exist.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 10:24AM #53
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Jun 1, 2009 -- 9:30AM, d_p_m wrote:



Well, I think it's pretty clear that 57 is inherently incapable of understanding any post that explains the truth about evolution. And that s/he is incapable of admitting that such posts exist.



DPM, when will you show us how mutations add up? Explain the second mutation. 

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 3:38PM #54
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Jun 1, 2009 -- 10:24AM, 57 wrote:

Jun 1, 2009 -- 9:30AM, d_p_m wrote:



Well, I think it's pretty clear that 57 is inherently incapable of understanding any post that explains the truth about evolution. And that s/he is incapable of admitting that such posts exist.



57: DPM, when will you show us how mutations add up? Explain the second mutation. 


Go back and reread the thread "ToE guides health efforts". It's all in there.

Or you can look up 16 cell punnett squares. It's all in there, too.

Or JCarlin explained it.

Or it's explained in another thread that you jumped to after I explained it in the thread "ToE guides health efforts". Find that one yourself.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 6:42PM #55
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I went back and looked...and did not see an explanation DPM


Perhaps you could cut and paste just what parts you think answer the question.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 7:06PM #56
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Jun 1, 2009 -- 6:42PM, 57 wrote:


I went back and looked...and did not see an explanation DPM


Perhaps you could cut and paste just what parts you think answer the question. 



SIS went there, did that, got the T-Shirt.  The T-Shirt read:  "None are so blind as those who will not see."

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 7:26PM #57
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Jun 1, 2009 -- 6:42PM, 57 wrote:

I went back and looked...and did not see an explanation DPM


Perhaps you could cut and paste just what parts you think answer the question.


16 and 64 cell punnett squares. Use google or another good search engine.

Or go to "ToE Guides Health Efforts" and look at the posts about EH, EP, and HP cats.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 11:15PM #58
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Jun 1, 2009 -- 10:24AM, 57 wrote:


DPM, when will you show us how mutations add up? Explain the second mutation. 




 


Once again, it's basic stats.  It only has to show up in ONE individual in the population that has the FIRST mutation.  The odds decrease drastically if you would/could only realize that the SECOND mutation is INDEPENDENT of the first.


But I know you can't conceive of that, so let's just say, "It's MAGIC!" so you'll go away happy ane satisfied.

I don't believe it. Prove it to me and I still won't believe it.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2009 - 6:54PM #59
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Out-of-Place Fossils 4



 


Petrified trees in Arizona’s Petrified Forest National Park contain fossilized nests of bees and cocoons of wasps. The petrified forests are reputedly 220 million years old, while bees (and flowering plants, which bees require) supposedly evolved almost 100 million years later (l). Pollinating insects and fossil flies, with long, well-developed tubes for sucking nectar from flowers, are dated 25 million years before flowers are assumed to have evolved (m). Most evolutionists and textbooks systematically ignore discoveries which conflict with the evolutionary time scale.


 


l. Stephen T. Hasiotis (paleobiologist, U.S. Geological Survey, Denver), personal communication, 27 May 1995.


 


Carl Zimmer, “A Secret History of Life on Land,” Discover, February 1998, pp. 76–83.


 


m. Dong Ren, “Flower-Associated Brachycera Flies as Fossil Evidence for Jurassic Angiosperm Origins,” Science, Vol. 280, 3 April 1998, pp. 85–88.


 


The best-preserved fossils are encased in amber, protected from air and water and buried in the ground. Amber, a golden resin (similar to sap or pitch) usually from conifer trees such as pines, may also contain other preservatives. No transitional forms of life have been found in amber, despite evolutionary-based ages of 1.5–300 million years. Animal behaviors, unchanged from today, are seen in three-dimensional detail. For example, ants in amber show the same social and work patterns as ants today.


 


Experts bold enough to explain how these fossils formed say that hurricane-force winds must have snapped off trees at their trunks, causing huge amounts of resin to spill out and act like flypaper. Debris and small organisms were blown into the sticky resin, which was later covered by more resin and finally buried.


 


In a clean-room laboratory, 30–40 dormant, but living, bacteria species were removed from intestines of bees encased in amber from the Dominican Republic. When cultured, the bacteria grew! This amber is claimed to be 25–40 million years old, but I suspect it formed at the time of the flood, only thousands of years ago. Is it more likely that bacteria can be kept alive thousands of years or many millions of years? Metabolism rates, even in dormant bacteria, are not zero.


 


www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/LifeS...



 

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2009 - 7:04PM #60
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Oh look, it's Pahu, come to cut and paste another deeply flawed and deceptive creationist tract from some immoral web site he's latched on to.
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