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5 years ago  ::  May 22, 2009 - 1:41PM #1
Pahu78
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Out-of-Place Fossils 1



 


Frequently, fossils are not vertically sequenced in the assumed evolutionary order (a).


 


a. Walter E. Lammerts has published eight lists totaling almost 200 wrong-order formations in the United States alone. [See “Recorded Instances of Wrong-Order Formations or Presumed Overthrusts in the United States: Parts I–VIII,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, September 1984, p. 88; December 1984, p. 150; March 1985, p. 200; December 1985, p. 127; March 1986, p. 188; June 1986, p. 38; December 1986, p. 133; and June 1987, p. 46.]


 


“In the fossil record, we are faced with many sequences of change: modifications over time from A to B to C to D can be documented and a plausible Darwinian interpretation can often be made after seeing the sequence. But the predictive (or postdictive) power of theory is almost nil.” David M. Raup, “Evolution and the Fossil Record,” Science, Vol. 213, 17 July 1981, p. 289.


 


“Fossil discoveries can muddle our attempts to construct simple evolutionary trees—fossils from key periods are often not intermediates, but rather hodgepodges of defining features of many different groups.” Neil Shubin, “Evolutionary Cut and Paste,” Nature, Vol. 394, 2 July 1998, p. 12.


 




 

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5 years ago  ::  May 22, 2009 - 1:57PM #2
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Fossils are pieces of a big puzzle.  Areas of the planet will have different sets of fossils since they are inaccessible to other places.  The fossils we have available do not tell the whole story of life existing on this planet through time.  As we find more fossils, it only helps us understand more about the past, and how life evolved.  It isn't unusual that new finds will offset the conclusions based on previous sets, and new conclusions are made as an adjustment to new evidence.


However, the fossils we do have only point to one major conclusion: that evolution happened in the past, and still happens today.

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5 years ago  ::  May 26, 2009 - 10:26AM #3
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To understand palaeontology, it helps to work on the subject! Some practical experience is required. This isn't just a recipe read out of some handbook. {Sigh}
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5 years ago  ::  May 26, 2009 - 2:36PM #4
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May 22, 2009 -- 1:41PM, Pahu78 wrote:




Out-of-Place Fossils 1



 


Frequently, fossils are not vertically sequenced in the assumed evolutionary order (a).


 


a. Walter E. Lammerts has published eight lists totaling almost 200 wrong-order formations in the United States alone. [See “Recorded Instances of Wrong-Order Formations or Presumed Overthrusts in the United States: Parts I–VIII,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, September 1984, p. 88; December 1984, p. 150; March 1985, p. 200; December 1985, p. 127; March 1986, p. 188; June 1986, p. 38; December 1986, p. 133; and June 1987, p. 46.]


 


“In the fossil record, we are faced with many sequences of change: modifications over time from A to B to C to D can be documented and a plausible Darwinian interpretation can often be made after seeing the sequence. But the predictive (or postdictive) power of theory is almost nil.” David M. Raup, “Evolution and the Fossil Record,” Science, Vol. 213, 17 July 1981, p. 289.


 


“Fossil discoveries can muddle our attempts to construct simple evolutionary trees—fossils from key periods are often not intermediates, but rather hodgepodges of defining features of many different groups.” Neil Shubin, “Evolutionary Cut and Paste,” Nature, Vol. 394, 2 July 1998, p. 12.


 




 




 


 


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5 years ago  ::  May 26, 2009 - 5:16PM #5
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May 22, 2009 -- 1:57PM, F1fan wrote:


Fossils are pieces of a big puzzle.  Areas of the planet will have different sets of fossils since they are inaccessible to other places.  The fossils we have available do not tell the whole story of life existing on this planet through time.  As we find more fossils, it only helps us understand more about the past, and how life evolved.  It isn't unusual that new finds will offset the conclusions based on previous sets, and new conclusions are made as an adjustment to new evidence.


However, the fossils we do have only point to one major conclusion: that evolution happened in the past, and still happens today.




Since no transitional fossils have been found, as evolution requires, how do the fossils point to one major conclusion: that evolution happened in the past, and still happens today?

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5 years ago  ::  May 26, 2009 - 5:17PM #6
Pahu78
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Out-of-Place Fossils 2



 


In Uzbekistan, 86 consecutive hoofprints of horses were found in rocks dating back to the dinosaurs (b). Hoofprints of some other animal are alongside 1,000 dinosaur footprints in Virginia (c). A leading authority on the Grand Canyon published photographs of horselike hoofprints visible in rocks that, according to the theory of evolution, predate hoofed animals by more than 100 million years (d). Dinosaur and humanlike footprints were found together in Turkmenistan (e) and Arizona (f).


 


b. Y. Kruzhilin and V. Ovcharov, “A Horse from the Dinosaur Epoch?” Moskovskaya Pravda [Moscow Truth], 5 February 1984.


 


c. Richard Monastersky, “A Walk along the Lakeshore, Dinosaur-Style,” Science News, Vol. 136, 8 July 1989, p. 21.


 


d. Edwin D. McKee, The Supai Group of Grand Canyon, Geological Survey Professional Paper 1173 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1982), pp. 93–96, 100.


 


e. Alexander Romashko, “Tracking Dinosaurs,” Moscow News, No. 24, 1983, p. 10. [For an alternate but equivalent translation published by an anti-creationist organization, see Frank Zindler, “Man—A Contemporary of the Dinosaurs?” Creation/Evolution, Vol. 6, No. 1, 1986, pp. 28–29.]


 


f. Paul O. Rosnau et al., “Are Human and Mammal Tracks Found Together with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta of Arizona?” Parts I and II, Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 26, September 1989, pp. 41–48 and December 1989, pp. 77–98.


 


Jeremy Auldaney et al., “More Human-Like Track Impressions Found with the Tracks of Dinosaurs in the Kayenta Formation at Tuba City Arizona,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 34, December 1997, pp. 133–146 and back cover.


 




 

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5 years ago  ::  May 26, 2009 - 6:31PM #7
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May 26, 2009 -- 5:16PM, Pahu78 wrote:


Since no transitional fossils have been found, as evolution requires...



Pahu, that is a bold-faced lie.


 

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5 years ago  ::  May 26, 2009 - 6:32PM #8
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May 26, 2009 -- 5:16PM, Pahu78 wrote:

Since no transitional fossils have been found, as evolution requires, how do the fossils point to one major conclusion: that evolution happened in the past, and still happens today?



Nonsense. Many transitional fossils have been found.

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5 years ago  ::  May 26, 2009 - 6:36PM #9
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May 26, 2009 -- 5:17PM, Pahu78 wrote:

 


In Uzbekistan, 86 consecutive hoofprints of horses were found in rocks dating back to the dinosaurs


No, they weren't.


(b). Hoofprints of some other animal are alongside 1,000 dinosaur footprints in Virginia


I wouldn't be surprised. When dinosaurs were around, they weren't the only animals.


(c). A leading authority on the Grand Canyon published photographs of horselike hoofprints visible in rocks that, according to the theory of evolution, predate hoofed animals by more than 100 million years


They may have been "horselike" but they certainly weren't made by horses. 


(d). Dinosaur and humanlike footprints were found together in Turkmenistan (e) and Arizona (f).


Dinosaur and human footprints have never been found together.  



 


 

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5 years ago  ::  May 27, 2009 - 9:07PM #10
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Since a palaeontologist prosecuted a preacher, there has been no `creation science' in Australia!
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