Denisemac wrote:

Free will to me is exactly that. As in the story of Adam and Eve eating the fruit of knowledge. Christians say that it was the first sin but if we read the story that G_d had given them free will to do as they wanted. We see this to be true in the fact that instead of G_d telling them that they were wrong when they stated "we are naked" he just clothed them. G_d does not spend his time fighting with us. And it is false to think that a  G_d controls us. He is here like a good parent to help us when we need it. He knows we can only learn and come to him on our own free will. Many think that just because G_d knows what we will do that means we do not have free will. He clearly stated to Adam and Eve what would happen if they ate of this fruit but they decided he was a liar. As in times past we have seen how the warnings that were given us what would happen. The ten commandments are nothing more then how to live a good life with love and care of others as yourself. We see how having sex outside of marriage has caused a lot of problems in our society. It is not a sin as religion teaches but it causes discord in our lives.

So in your path Denise how does love fit into your spirituality?

Denisemac wrote:

In what way do you mean?

thats what i am asking hun...in what ways do you include love in your spirituality? how does it fit in?

Ken wrote:

As I explained, it's just being able to do what you want to do.

I'm sure there are many occasions when you can't do what you want to do. Free will comes and goes.

That sounds divine to me.

TransJ wrote:

The limited number of choices to start with but my point is we have free will despite determinism. We are the source of our own destiny in a limited way.

Who’s god does not exit?

Take your pick. :rolleyes:

TransJ wrote:

The limited number of choices to start with but my point is we have free will despite determinism. We are the source of our own destiny in a limited way.

Who’s god does not exit?

I agree I am the source of my own destiny. I get to choose that one. I like knowing that I am the boss of me. I like knowing that I dont have to rely on god or anyone else. It feels more solid to me.