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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 3:29PM #31
iamachildofhis
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[QUOTE=Namchuck;353282].
....and adopt the world view of pre-scientific Bronze Age nomadic tribesmen.
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I am curious.

What do you think that we would be "adopting" if we did "adopt the world view of pre-scientific Bronze Age nomadic tribesmen"? What would that "view" look like?



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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 3:53PM #32
wohali
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What do you think that we would be "adopting" if we did "adopt the world view of pre-scientific Bronze Age nomadic tribesmen"? What would that "view" look like?

A literal and inerrant reading of the Bible.
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 4:35PM #33
ether_buny
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[QUOTE=nicoletate;323920]My faith needs logic. In my opinion, the key to faith is understanding, so if we couldn't understand anything about our nature and the natural world around us, why is there any claim that life may have been intellectually formed.

We were given brains, so we should use them to their utmost abilities. Why should we shut all reasoning down, when it's there for us to explore? That's like creating Superman, but not exactly letting him be "Superman". Faith is not a war with logic, the individual is.[/QUOTE]
Many people for whatever reason are needy, hard-up or helpless. Many things destroy faith, logic and reason. Prey and predator relationships haven't changed for eons. I doubt anyone in the modern world has suddenly and recently come up with the answer to that or many other questions in life.
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 4:46PM #34
ether_buny
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[QUOTE=iamachildofhis;354535]I am not at all in favor of scrapping science.  Why would any human advocate the scrapping of science? 

Why do you think that ~6,000 years means that I am advocating that science be scrapped?




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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 10:18PM #35
Namchuck
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[QUOTE=iamachildofhis;354526]Are you implying, then, that your death will end it all for you?




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I'm not too sure just what the "all" is that you are referring to, iamachildofhis, but, as there is no compelling evidence that life survives thermodynamic equilibrium, I'm convinced that my death will end it for me.
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 10:20PM #36
Namchuck
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[QUOTE=iamachildofhis;354535]I am not at all in favor of scrapping science.  Why would any human advocate the scrapping of science? 

Why do you think that ~6,000 years means that I am advocating that science be scrapped?




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Any human so besotted by religion as to think that the Earth is only 6,000 years old has essentially scrapped science already.
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 10:22PM #37
Namchuck
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[QUOTE=iamachildofhis;354544]I am curious.

What do you think that we would be "adopting" if we did "adopt the world view of pre-scientific Bronze Age nomadic tribesmen"? What would that "view" look like?



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Oh, I think you know that already, or, you should.
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 10:26PM #38
Namchuck
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Contrary to nicoletate's assertion, I would suggest that faith is most definitely in conflict with reason and logic.
The very invoking of faith is a transparent admission that one's beliefs cannot stand on their own two feet.
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 10:18PM #39
Namchuck
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[QUOTE=iamachildofhis;354526]Are you implying, then, that your death will end it all for you?




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I'm not too sure just what the "all" is that you are referring to, iamachildofhis, but, as there is no compelling evidence that life survives thermodynamic equilibrium, I'm convinced that my death will end it for me.
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 13, 2008 - 10:20PM #40
Namchuck
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[QUOTE=iamachildofhis;354535]I am not at all in favor of scrapping science.  Why would any human advocate the scrapping of science? 

Why do you think that ~6,000 years means that I am advocating that science be scrapped?




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Any human so besotted by religion as to think that the Earth is only 6,000 years old has essentially scrapped science already.
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