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Switch to Forum Live View to anyone that still uses the phrase " the bible IS gods' word" it time for you to PROVE IT!
7 years ago  ::  May 27, 2011 - 6:25AM #1
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i know i am considered more then a little irritating by  many bible  believing believers on many of the b-net boards - i am as i am.

when   im bombastic or unduly harsh - i apologies when i feel the need to by   truly  saying  that my communication skill set is very limited and my   own emotions tend to me making  my positions direct and without soothing   honey.

furthermore im sure this challenge that i lay down now    to any and all that use the phase  " word of god " as they refer to   there much beloved bible book will not raise my esteem in there view.

never the less the challenge is made-

in   this age of scientific standards were every assertion that IS TRUE can   be shown to be True or else that assertion must be called as it then   is-  a theory, a personal view , a hope. 

 in the past i have    posted  large amounts of " proof " much coming from ot/ nt scriptures   themselves that clearly show that  the bible IS NOT Gods Word  and that   FOR TRUTHS SAKE christain believer should not be referring to the bible   with that phase or anything akin to it.

it is scripts ONLY- nothing more nothing less.

so that i am clear when  sake when i say God i am referring to Yahweh ALONE.Yahweh's Word.

as far as the minimum standard of proof that  i require:

state   anywhere in the extended gosple records where Yahweh's Son directly   endorsed/ recommended the scriptures as they are now arranged  as new   testament/ old testament books to be adhered to as a part of our daily   faith walk in His Service- or ever Himself calling them GODS WORD.

the   extended gosple records being any of the four accepted gospels as well   as any other scripture that Yesh'wa makes reference to in them.


sight   ANYWHERE in the bible where YAHWEH makes any encouragement to   scriptures as  directly as He Endorsed His Own Son following His Baptism   " THIS IS MY BELOVED SON- IN HIM I AM WELL PLEASED LESSON TO HIM!"

...but i will consider anything you have to say  except " because it is" or the like.

i look foreword to this debate -but i think the b-net censor police will disappear this thread in short order.





ps peaceful sabbath.
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7 years ago  ::  May 27, 2011 - 6:47AM #2
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I'm not sure that I understand your challenge completely or your motivations for it (or your posting it in this forum, for that matter).  I myself do not believe that the Bible is the literal "Word of God" anyway, so I'm just arguing for the sake of argument here.

I've always found the "Word of God" argument to be tenuous myself.  Most (if not all) Christians and Jews will agree that the Bible was written down by men, and lots of different men at that.  Of course, they may argue that god inspired such men, but then they have to also argue that god inspired the men who passed it down, the men who translated it, the men who compiled it, and perhaps even the modern publisher who prints it.  I could also point out the fact that the Eastern Orthodox Bible has more books in it than the Roman Catholic Bible, which itself has more books in it than the average Protestant's Bible, which is itself demonstrative that the idea of what is "divinely inspired" can be changed over time or within a single church community.  Do Protestants think that Eastern Orthodox Christians (who are, we should note, the oldest living Christian tradition) are wrong about their Bible?  Did god inspire the Orthodox Church to keep some books and the other churches not to?  That seems pretty unusual, don't you think?

Also, if the book is inspired, then god is a strange fellow.  He contradicts himself often, doesn't he?  And in the Old Testament he seems like nothing more than a pagan patriarchal figure, not much different in his sense of humanity than figures like Odin, Zeus, or any other such father god, quick to anger and slow to mercy.  Suddenly in the New Testament he is an enlightened godhead offering his infinite mercy to those who would accept his sacrifice.  What an odd fellow indeed!  

I'm more inclined to believe that the book isn't inspired by god at all.  Otherwise, we have to imagine that god is something of a fool, contradicting himself and proposing all sorts of nonsense.  And yet another problem we run into is the lack of timelessness of the Bibles edicts.  Should I really sell my daughter to her rapist for 15 shekels in order to prevent a scandal?  If that's the case then Elizabeth Smart's captor shouldn't be jailed, we should just be marrying her off to him.  (That was meant to be absurd people, don't be offended.)  If this is the timeless word of god, then god sure is stuck in the Dark Ages, isn't he?

What I never understood is why the Bible has to be the "Word of God" anyway.  It's a book of myths and legends and pseudo-history like anything else.  It's comparable to the Odyssey, the Norse Sagas and Eddas, the Mabinogion, and other legendary compilations of stories involving deities, heroes, and pseudo-historical figures.  Why can't they just be treated like stories instead of absolute timeless facts passed on by god himself?  Would your faith in god really waiver if you just said that the Bible was written by man about the issue of god, and not inspired directly by god himself?  It's not like it would invalidate the Bible as a holy text, and the advantage to that approach is that you leave room for more literature.  If this religion is so timeless why hasn't anyone been "inspired" by god recently to throw in a few books, because god knows we surely need some literature that speaks in terms of our modern society.

Again, I'm not sure about your motivation for this argument, but I'm in agreement that it's a little silly to call the Bible the Word of God.  I understand why it is done: to validate the Bible entirely.  However, stories don't need to be validated by divinity in order to spread their messages to people.

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7 years ago  ::  May 27, 2011 - 8:48AM #3
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in answer to your question  " why post this in this forum ?" ... i did so becouse this is matter that effects many  quakers as will.

i  tell you true that if the 15 st meeting house in nyc had NOT held the bible in general and the impostor pauls teaching in particular in such high esteem when i first felt drawn into the quaker way of living  faith-i would have been practicing / supporting member of that quaker community for years now, instead of this faith walk of three that i have lived till now -

Our Savior Brothers Holy Spirit, me and my too to human flesh.


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