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2 years ago  ::  Feb 09, 2012 - 8:46AM #21
Yavanna
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Feb 8, 2012 -- 4:09PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Feb 8, 2012 -- 2:12PM, Yavanna wrote:


Feb 7, 2012 -- 1:17AM, rangerken wrote:


Feb 7, 2012 -- 1:09AM, Merope wrote:


Well, Mitt Romney has weighed in, telling conservative radio host Scott Hennen that he doesn't think Komen should continue giving money to Planned Parenthood because it provides abortion services.  Romney says the government should stop giving Planned Parenthood money, too.





Well that is a basic conservative position. A lot of us who are conservatives favor women being able to choose for themselves whether or not to become pregnant, or stay pregnant, but strongly oppose the government using taxpayer money to fund abortions.


So I'm with Romney on this issue.


Ken




Are you aware of the percentage of Planned Parenthood devoted to abortions?


3%



The majority of services provided are women's general health. For instance, Planned Parenthood provides breast exams to women who can't afford them.







So what? 


That's like me telling an animal rights vegan, "Hey look, I kill only three percent of the deer I encounter in a given year, what are you so pissed off about?"


I'm not going to say right or wrong on this particular issue (abortion). Nor am I going to adress the larger issue of whether any of us, as taxpayers in this really huge, complex and diverse nation, can ever avoid any of our tax dollars being spent on at least one thing we really don't like.


But my point is, to somebody who takes a deep moral offense to something, and does not want their tax dollars going to it -- "it's only three percent" would be an absurd argument. 




It's only absurd that someone wants to stop 97% of something that saves lives. By opposing it, hurting more lives than helping.

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In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 09, 2012 - 11:59AM #22
Merope
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Informative article in today's San Francisco Bay Times that raises some pertinent points:


1.   Komen’s director of community services, Mollie Williams, resigned in protest at the initial decision to withhold grant funding from Planned Parenthood.


2.   Several of Komen's affiliate offices around the country - including its San Francisco affiliate - distanced themselves from, and publicly objected to, the initial decision to withhold Planned Parenthood funding.


3.   26 US senators sent a letter asking Komen to reconsider its initial decision to withhold Planned Parenthood funding.


4.   Overall, this incident has been a wake-up call to the rising influence of anti-choice advocates within the largest breast cancer charity in the world.


5.   Caught between Komen’s initial decision and its target were the poor and low-income women that the grants to Planned Parenthood were originally designed to serve.  At stake for Planned Parenthood was nearly $700,000 earmarked for breast screenings for poor and low-income women. 


6.   Planned Parenthood's partnership with Komen over the past 5 years has provided 170,000 women with access to these potentially life-saving screenings.


7.   Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of health care to poor and low-income people in the US.  That makes it the group that is best-positioned to provide the education and early detection Komen promotes to the people who need it most.


8.   According to the article, Komen's decision to withhold funding resulted in an outpouring of support for Planned Parenthood.  Along with verbal protests, donors gave $3 million to Planned Parenthood last week, more than quadrupling the Komen funds that had been at risk. 

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 09, 2012 - 2:47PM #23
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Feb 9, 2012 -- 8:46AM, Yavanna wrote:




It's only absurd that someone wants to stop 97% of something that saves lives. By opposing it, hurting more lives than helping.




That is because they are not really interested in saving lives

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 09, 2012 - 4:06PM #24
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So thankful to live in a country where women's healthcare is fairly uncontroversial. The NHS does everything Planned Parenthood does without any real fuss from the populace (which is not to say that the NHS is perfect).

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 09, 2012 - 5:40PM #25
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Feb 9, 2012 -- 4:06PM, Ebon wrote:


So thankful to live in a country where women's healthcare is fairly uncontroversial. The NHS does everything Planned Parenthood does without any real fuss from the populace (which is not to say that the NHS is perfect).




Ebon


Many of us in the US are not opposed to a national health service. Those most in need are often not served here and that is disgraceful. When I was young medicine was not so much for-profit here. My parents had the original Blue Cross/Blue Shield which was for hospitilization only. We paid for doctor visits and prescriptions. I have excellent medical care and I'm probably over-insured.


Medicare works !!!


 




 

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 10, 2012 - 12:29PM #26
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Feb 9, 2012 -- 8:46AM, Yavanna wrote:


Feb 8, 2012 -- 4:09PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Feb 8, 2012 -- 2:12PM, Yavanna wrote:


Feb 7, 2012 -- 1:17AM, rangerken wrote:


Feb 7, 2012 -- 1:09AM, Merope wrote:


Well, Mitt Romney has weighed in, telling conservative radio host Scott Hennen that he doesn't think Komen should continue giving money to Planned Parenthood because it provides abortion services.  Romney says the government should stop giving Planned Parenthood money, too.





Well that is a basic conservative position. A lot of us who are conservatives favor women being able to choose for themselves whether or not to become pregnant, or stay pregnant, but strongly oppose the government using taxpayer money to fund abortions.


So I'm with Romney on this issue.


Ken




Are you aware of the percentage of Planned Parenthood devoted to abortions?


3%



The majority of services provided are women's general health. For instance, Planned Parenthood provides breast exams to women who can't afford them.







So what? 


That's like me telling an animal rights vegan, "Hey look, I kill only three percent of the deer I encounter in a given year, what are you so pissed off about?"


I'm not going to say right or wrong on this particular issue (abortion). Nor am I going to adress the larger issue of whether any of us, as taxpayers in this really huge, complex and diverse nation, can ever avoid any of our tax dollars being spent on at least one thing we really don't like.


But my point is, to somebody who takes a deep moral offense to something, and does not want their tax dollars going to it -- "it's only three percent" would be an absurd argument. 




It's only absurd that someone wants to stop 97% of something that saves lives. By opposing it, hurting more lives than helping.





Depends. Some people want PP shut down. Some just want them to stop refering to abortion clincs.

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 10, 2012 - 12:29PM #27
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Feb 9, 2012 -- 2:47PM, mainecaptain wrote:


Feb 9, 2012 -- 8:46AM, Yavanna wrote:




It's only absurd that someone wants to stop 97% of something that saves lives. By opposing it, hurting more lives than helping.




That is because they are not really interested in saving lives





How do you know? Have you asked them?

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2 years ago  ::  Feb 10, 2012 - 4:58PM #28
mainecaptain
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Feb 9, 2012 -- 4:06PM, Ebon wrote:


So thankful to live in a country where women's healthcare is fairly uncontroversial. The NHS does everything Planned Parenthood does without any real fuss from the populace (which is not to say that the NHS is perfect).




nothing man made or man controlled is perfect, but at least it does work. Wish we had it here

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"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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2 years ago  ::  Feb 22, 2012 - 1:25AM #29
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