Nov 9, 2011 -- 11:37AM, TemplarS wrote:

Attempts such as that in the Mississippi referedum are intended to take the question back to early term abortions. One would think that such attempts under standing law from Roe onward would be doomed to constitutional rejection.  But, of course, pro-life people are looking to instigate something which would give the current court the opportunity to reverse Roe altogether.  I do not think this will happen, but of course it is possible.

More to the point, from polls I have seen the vast majority of Americans are satisfied that current law represents a reasonable and prudent compromise given the quite irreconcileable differences at play.  In things like yesterday's vote, there is no indication that social conservatives are gaining power; quite the opposite (I think), since age demographics are increasingly against them.

I think you're quite correct, Templar. Well stated.

I'd add that I'm not so sure that age demographics have turned the tables as much as the increasing numbers of people who simply think for themselves and disregard what their religion teaches when those teachings don't seem reasonable or humane.  

Nov 9, 2011 -- 11:58AM, mainecaptain wrote:

Nov 9, 2011 -- 12:56AM, Wanderingal wrote:

Nov 9, 2011 -- 12:14AM, mainecaptain wrote:

Nov 8, 2011 -- 11:51PM, Wanderingal wrote:

Of course that "personhood" initiative was rejected. It was stupid.

And ANTI-Women.

 

Not so much of course my friend, But thankfully it was rejected.

Remember there are an awful lot of anti women people out there, as well as .....well....you know ;)

MaineC--hi.

You know--it would scare me to think that anyone woukd elevate a single cell into importance above that of a living fully-functioning adult woman--

--except that I was raised as a very traditional Catholic and we were taught that even if the mother was dying and only an  abortion would save her--"God wanted BOTH the mother and the fetus to die."

I never bought that but hearing it over and over again--how it devalued women--was pretty horrifying--especially when the priests saying it had that glint of fanaticsm in their eyes as they talked about the death of the mother and the fetus.

Just the way the supporters of this initiative do.

Anti-women fanaticsm is an ugly ugly thing to behold.

Yes I know, I too was raised in a Catholic household. And as is being discussed on another thread Christianity is a death cult, revering death above life, except of course for anything not born .

This is why we need a strong separation between church and state. A death cult should not be mixed into government and laws.

No offence intended my friend.

MaineC--hi.

Definitely none taken.

As I read the posts on this thread and as I listened to the propaganda in favor of that bill I was also reminded of the many Catholic women I knew who did follow the traditional Catholic ideas foisted on them from early childhood.

Their adherence to the misogynistic ideals of the church hierarchy resulted in their endured much much suffering--a lot of it physical from the effects of childbearing when their bodies could not take the strain.

And emotional as their lives and adult relationships were overtaken by burdensome childrearing of many more children than they could possibly take care of.

I have some more thoughts on this--will list them later.

BTW--no one who was raised the way we were could say anything that would offend me on this topic.

Thank the deity of your choice for that. I've seen some badly written laws in my time but that one was ridiculous.

Nov 9, 2011 -- 10:57AM, Bezant wrote:

That doesn't make sense. This is a definition for citizenship.

You asked a question, I answered it. If you don't want an answer, don't ask the question.

The point you purposely avoided is that the Constitution applies to citizens BORN or naturalized in this country.

Nov 9, 2011 -- 1:56PM, mountain_man wrote:

Nov 9, 2011 -- 11:58AM, mainecaptain wrote:

Yes I know, I too was raised in a Catholic household. And as is being discussed on another thread Christianity is a death cult, revering death above life, except of course for anything not born .

This is why we need a strong separation between church and state. A death cult should not be mixed into government and laws.

No offense intended my friend.

For many it seems life begins at conception and ends at birth. The great thing about all this is that if you don't like abortion; you don't have to have one. This is an area where everyone should mind their own business.

Could not agree with you more.