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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 1:46PM #51
REteach
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Ranchhand was beaten up because he was gay. The ER ended up calling someone whose card he had in his pocket.  This was pretty much a stranger, Maven, who had given him her card when they met over a lost dog. She took him home even though she didn't know him. He also tried to commit suicide because he was told that God hated him.  Now, because others were accepting and gentle and kind he is married and has a family. 


Dar was beaten up in front of her children because some men thought she was a gay man.  Her kids are harassed by classmates because she is gay.  She lost her first partner to death and then her partner's family took stuff they had bought together because their relationship wasn't legally recognized.  


Screw you and your callous disregard of the pain other people experienced.  Kind of reminds me of Gaddafi begging for mercy when he was caught and one of the men present telling him it was a little late to find out about mercy at that point. 

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 2:19PM #52
REteach
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Here is a link to New Jersey's anti-bullying law.  They claim that about 32% of school kids were bullied during the previous year and that about 25% of schools reported bullying as a problem.  


They also say "In 2010, the chronic persistence of school bullying has led to 26  student suicides across the country, including in New Jersey;"  (the US switched from oral polio vaccine to injectable because of death rates of less than 10, as a comparison)


The law goes on "It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this legislation 12  to strengthen the standards and procedures for preventing,  reporting, investigating, and responding to incidents of harassment,  intimidation, and bullying of students that occur in school and off  school premises;"


The instruction in suicide 7  prevention shall include information on the relationship between the 8  risk of suicide and incidents of harassment, intimidation, and 9  bullying and information on reducing the risk of suicide in students 10  who are members of communities identified as having members at 11  high risk of suicide.It also requires teachers to attend suicide prevention training: 


 


Two times each school 17  year, between September 1 and January 1 and between January 1 and June 30118  , at a public hearing, the superintendent of schools 19  shall r
41  "Electronic communication" means a communication transmitted 42  by means of an electronic device, including, but not limited to, a 43  telephone, cellular phone, computer, or pager; 44  "Harassment, intimidation or bullying" means any gesture, any written, verbal or physical act, or any electronic communication 145  , whether it be a single incident or a series of incidents,146   that   is 47  reasonably perceived as being motivated either by any actual or 48  perceived characteristic, such as race, color, religion, ancestry, A3466 [1R] 10 1  national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and 2  expression, or a mental, physical or sensory  [handicap] disability,  3  or by any other distinguishing characteristic, that takes place on school property,  at   any  school-sponsored  funct ion 1[or]  ,14  on a school bus 15  , or off school grounds as provided for in section 16 of 6  P.L.    , c.   (C.    ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill), that 7  subst ant  ially disrupt  s or  int erferes with  the orderly operat  ion of  the school or the rights of other students18  and that:eport to the board of education all acts of violence  [and]  ,20  vandalism, and harassment, intimidation, or bullying which occurred during the previous  [school year]121  [semester] reporting period122  .  

IMO, what the New Jersey teacher has posted does include harassment, intimidation and bullying, especially as there are reports she has made similar comments in class. 


 


It goes on to discuss electronic communication:"Electronic communication" means a communication transmitted 42  by means of an electronic device, including, but not limited to, a 43  telephone, cellular phone, computer, or pager; 44  "Harassment, intimidation or bullying" means any gesture, any written, verbal or physical act, or any electronic communication 145  , whether it be a single incident or a series of incidents,146   that   is 47  reasonably perceived as being motivated either by any actual or 48  perceived characteristic, such as race, color, religion, ancestry, A3466 [1R] 10 1  national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and 2  expression, or a mental, physical or sensory  [handicap] disability,  3  or by any other distinguishing characteristic, that takes place on school property,  at   any  school-sponsored  funct ion 1[or]  ,14  on a school bus 15  , or off school grounds as provided for in section 16 of 6  P.L.    , c.   (C.    ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill), that 7  subst ant  ially disrupt  s or  int erferes with  the orderly operat  ion of  the school or the rights of other students18  and that: 9  a. a reasonable person should know, under the circumstances, 10  will have the effect of physically or emotionally harming a student 11  or damaging the student's property, or placing a student in 12  reasonable fear of physical or emotional harm to his person or 13  damage to his property; [or]14  b. has the effect of insulting or demeaning any student or group of students 115  [in such a way as to cause [substantial] disruption in, 16  or  [substantial] interference with, the orderly operation of the school]1;1or1 17  c. creates a hostile1educational1 environment1[at school]118  for the student119  [


 


 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 2:52PM #53
mytmouse57
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 1:46PM, REteach wrote:


Ranchhand was beaten up because he was gay. The ER ended up calling someone whose card he had in his pocket.  This was pretty much a stranger, Maven, who had given him her card when they met over a lost dog. She took him home even though she didn't know him. He also tried to commit suicide because he was told that God hated him.  Now, because others were accepting and gentle and kind he is married and has a family. 


Dar was beaten up in front of her children because some men thought she was a gay man.  Her kids are harassed by classmates because she is gay.  She lost her first partner to death and then her partner's family took stuff they had bought together because their relationship wasn't legally recognized.  


Screw you and your callous disregard of the pain other people experienced.  Kind of reminds me of Gaddafi begging for mercy when he was caught and one of the men present telling him it was a little late to find out about mercy at that point. 





I've tried, literally, for years to politely and rationally explain things to you.


Frankly, you don't have a clue who I am, or where I'm coming from. Don't ever dare to presume I'm "callous" toward gay people, or anybody else. Or that I don't know what the pain and terror of bullying can do. I've seen it. I've experienced it.


I know my views on homosexuality offend your rigidly politically correct veiws on the subject. I don't want you to agree with me. I honestly don't care one wit if you do. But it would be nice if, for once, you would at least try to understand what I'm saying.


I'm also honestly fed up with you coming across like me, or the world, owes you an apology simply for not thinking the same way you do.


That you can take anything I've ever said regarding this subject, and then come up with non-sequitors and strawmen you do, is beyond the pale of anything even remotely rational.


I've never, ever said bad things don't happen to gay people. Or that it's "okay" if they do. I despise violence, and hatred, and psycological bullying. 


And in real life, I've confronted actual bigoted homophoes face-to-face because of some of the bullshit they were saying. Have you?


So, again, please don't ever dare to presume you know me, or a damn thing about me.


 


 

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:04PM #54
DotNotInOz
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 1:06PM, mytmouse57 wrote:


Oct 22, 2011 -- 10:52AM, REteach wrote:


How many other "eternal victims" are not allowed federal marriage benefits? How many other "eternal victims" get sent to fake senior proms? How many other "eternal victims" were getting kicked out of the military for no other reason than because of who they were? How many other "eternal victims" are the butt of religious conservative politicians trying to limit their civil rights.  


Feh. 


There is none so blind as they who will not see.





I find your patronizing attitude very insulting to some of the fine people I've known her were openly gay. They were able to strive and hope for those things without feeling constatly helpless, and like somebody needed to swoop and and "save" them.




Are you suggesting that you have any idea what their lives have been like, what bigotry and abuse they may have had to deal with while attempting to accomplish what they have? And yet, you accuse REteach of being patronizing...



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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:29PM #55
appy20
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You can support gay rights, and their right to marry without diminshing their dignity by pitying them.  You can empower them without needing them to be a third class untouchable that need you for sympathy and protection.  


Violence is violence and always wrong.  You can support the prosecution of people who resort to violence without taking the right to free speech away from everyone else who disagrees with you.  


Actions should be punished if they violate law and speech should be protected at all costs even if it is offensive.  


Taking away other people's free speech will not give gays the right to marry.  That is completely illogical.  All rights should be fought for and protected.  I support gays right to marry. I support their right to live safely in our nation.  I cannot support punishing other people for having the right to free speech.  Punished speech creates silence.  


What speech will you wish to squelch next?  

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:38PM #56
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:04PM, DotNotInOz wrote:


 


Are you suggesting that you have any idea what their lives have been like, what bigotry and abuse they may have had to deal with while attempting to accomplish what they have? And yet, you accuse REteach of being patronizing...






It also appears some, do not know the definition of patronizing, either.


 


But think about it, The people being attacked and insulted, on these boards are the people who actually care about other people. As is usual

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:48PM #57
appy20
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:38PM, mainecaptain wrote:

Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:04PM, DotNotInOz wrote:


 


Are you suggesting that you have any idea what their lives have been like, what bigotry and abuse they may have had to deal with while attempting to accomplish what they have? And yet, you accuse REteach of being patronizing...






It also appears some, do not know the definition of patronizing, either.


 


But think about it, The people being attacked and insulted, on these boards are the people who actually care about other people. As is usual


Pity is not caring.  Pity is a form of contempt. You can support gay's rights without pitying gay people.  

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 5:20PM #58
mytmouse57
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:48PM, appy20 wrote:

Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:38PM, mainecaptain wrote:


Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:04PM, DotNotInOz wrote:


 


Are you suggesting that you have any idea what their lives have been like, what bigotry and abuse they may have had to deal with while attempting to accomplish what they have? And yet, you accuse REteach of being patronizing...






It also appears some, do not know the definition of patronizing, either.


 


But think about it, The people being attacked and insulted, on these boards are the people who actually care about other people. As is usual




Pity is not caring.  Pity is a form of contempt. You can support gay's rights without pitying gay people.  





Exactly!


Thank you.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 5:21PM #59
mytmouse57
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:38PM, mainecaptain wrote:


Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:04PM, DotNotInOz wrote:


 


Are you suggesting that you have any idea what their lives have been like, what bigotry and abuse they may have had to deal with while attempting to accomplish what they have? And yet, you accuse REteach of being patronizing...






It also appears some, do not know the definition of patronizing, either.


 


But think about it, The people being attacked and insulted, on these boards are the people who actually care about other people. As is usual





So, in other words,


"If you don't agree with my opinon, or how I put things, then you don't care about people."


Wow, do you even have a clue how ignorant and utterly irrational that is?

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 5:25PM #60
Ken
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 3:29PM, appy20 wrote:

I cannot support punishing other people for having the right to free speech.  Punished speech creates silence. 


Exactly. That's the whole idea. We want the bigots to be silent.



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