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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 2:03PM #1
REteach
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Leonard Pitts had an interesting column today. He scoped out the top "Pants on Fire" liars on Politifact and, surprise, 90% of the egregious lies came from conservatives.  I guess lying and making up "facts" are family values for some.  Not my family. 
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 2:15PM #2
mountain_man
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And some people actually try to claim that since BOTH sides lie there is no difference. They actually believe that 9 lies to 1 is equal. It's even more strange when one realizes that those 9 lies are so outrageous that they should count as two each. That makes it 18 to 1.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 2:30PM #3
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The money quote is a little further on (my emphasis):


... There is little that is truly conservative about what we are seeing.


No, this is extremism, true believers so rigidly committed to their ideological crusades that they feel justified in vandalizing reason and sacrificing integrity in furtherance of their cause. The end justifies any means


He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 2:36PM #4
REteach
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Yep, the ends justifies the means in their worldview.


 


I liked the part about 90% of planned parenthood being abortion and later that afternoon claiming that the statistic wasn't meant to be factual.  I mean, WTF? (He was only off by about 85%...being closer to 5%)

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 2:59PM #5
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Apr 17, 2011 -- 2:03PM, REteach wrote:

Leonard Pitts had an interesting column today. He scoped out the top "Pants on Fire" liars on Politifact and, surprise, 90% of the egregious lies came from conservatives.  I guess lying and making up "facts" are family values for some.  Not my family. 



 


>>>>>>>> At least Canadians are doing something about it. Check it out....










As America's middle class battles for its survival on the Wisconsin barricades -- against various Koch Oil surrogates and the corporate toadies at Fox News -- fans of enlightenment, democracy and justice can take comfort from a significant victory north of Wisconsin border. Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all! The reason: Canada regulators announced last week they would reject efforts by Canada's right wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news.

Canada's Radio Act requires that "a licenser may not broadcast....any false or misleading news." The provision has kept Fox News and right wing talk radio out of Canada and helped make Canada a model for liberal democracy and freedom. As a result of that law, Canadians enjoy high quality news coverage including the kind of foreign affairs and investigative journalism that flourished in this country before Ronald Reagan abolished the "Fairness Doctrine" in 1987. Political dialogue in Canada is marked by civility, modesty, honesty, collegiality, and idealism that have pretty much disappeared on the U.S. airwaves. When Stephen Harper moved to abolish anti-lying provision of the Radio Act, Canadians rose up to oppose him fearing that their tradition of honest non partisan news would be replaced by the toxic, overtly partisan, biased and dishonest news coverage familiar to American citizens who listen to Fox News and talk radio. Harper's proposal was timed to facilitate the launch of a new right wing network, "Sun TV News" which Canadians call "Fox News North."

Harper, often referred to as "George W. Bush's Mini Me," is known for having mounted a Bush like war on government scientists, data collectors, transparency, and enlightenment in general. He is a wizard of all the familiar tools of demagoguery; false patriotism, bigotry, fear, selfishness and belligerent religiosity.


Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television is a stark admission that right wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda. Since corporate profit-taking is not an attractive vessel for populism, a political party or broadcast network that makes itself the tool of corporate and financial elites must lie to make its agenda popular with the public. In the Unites States, Fox News and talk radio, the sock puppets of billionaires and corporate robber barons have become the masters of propaganda and distortion on the public airwaves. Fox News's notoriously biased and dishonest coverage of the Wisconsin's protests is a prime example of the brand of news coverage Canada has smartly avoided.


[ Source: www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-... ]
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 3:10PM #6
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Apr 17, 2011 -- 2:30PM, Ebon wrote:

The money quote is a little further on (my emphasis):


... There is little that is truly conservative about what we are seeing.


No, this is extremism, true believers so rigidly committed to their ideological crusades that they feel justified in vandalizing reason and sacrificing integrity in furtherance of their cause. The end justifies any means



But to what ends? Fascism? A dystopic two class society?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 3:45PM #7
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Apr 17, 2011 -- 3:10PM, mountain_man wrote:

But to what ends? Fascism? A dystopic two class society?



To roll back the last eighty-odd years, to reduce workers to the same desperate level and priviledge the rich as they were during the Gilded Age.

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

Fiat justitia, ruat caelum
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 4:12PM #8
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Apr 17, 2011 -- 3:45PM, Ebon wrote:

To roll back the last eighty-odd years, to reduce workers to the same desperate level and priviledge the rich as they were during the Gilded Age.


An era great for the Robber Barrons, not so good for the workers; violent attacks on unions, no women's rights.... You're right. That's what why want.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 8:18PM #9
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You know how the Gilded Age ended in Russia......

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

St. Thomas Aquinas

If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2011 - 8:38PM #10
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Apr 17, 2011 -- 8:18PM, Roodog wrote:

You know how the Gilded Age ended in Russia......


Yeah; ultra conservatives took over and created a totalitarian regime.

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