Solf, believe what you want.  You will anyway, and at least your not hurting anyone in the process. 

However, we cannot have a philosophical discussion with you on this topic, not because we are unwilling to have a philosophical discussion about it, but because you are unwilling to have a philosophical discussion about it.  You want to just lecture us on the errors of our ways, and are so convinced of your own correctness that you don't listen to other opinions. 

Sure people get into veganism because they are convinced that it is more healthy.  They may even become more healthy than they were.  Causation does not imply correlation however.  They become more healthy because they improved their diet, not because they cut out meat entirely.  They become more healthy because they start exercising as part of improving the whole.  They become more healthy because they were unhealthy before, and started making choices to allow them to become more healthy instead of sitting on the couch munching Doritos and watching reruns of 'American Idol'. 

There is a correlation between increasing activity levels, improving diet, and increasing health.  There is a correlation between reducing fatty cured meat consumption and health.  There is not a correlation between cutting out meat completely and health.  There is a gray area. Cutting out animal products completely is an ethical choice. 

all

Indeed ... My own Diet includes fairly SMALL Portions of Animal Protein ...

Aug 20, 2010 -- 2:30PM, allthegoodnamesweretaken wrote:

Aug 20, 2010 -- 1:28PM, teilhard wrote:

It DOES appear, however, that many "Vegans" ARE more Self-Righteous about their Dietary Practices ...

True, but there is also a tendancy not to think about what you've always done. 

This thread has been moved from Hot Topics Zone. Local guidelines will apply to any posts going forward.

--- agnosticspirit - Bnet community cohost HTZ

and it matters why? aren't humans supposed to have evolved from 3.5 million years ago? Still savages? How savage do you feel at that drive-thru? Give me a break. What humans did 3.5 million years ago has nothing to do with industrial widespread animal cruelty on factory farms where machines kill animals, not humans, not Ms. Peabody down the street, not you, not any one, because humans find killing repulsive. If killing is such a great important part of human nature, how come 99% of all humans don't kill? This is a wake-up call, our species finds killing, blood and guts to be repulsive, thus you can logically conclude that killing and eating animals will become a thing of the past. In fact, since machines are doing all of the killing for you, really killingis already banished from our species. The fact remains, we have feelings. Those feelings make us feel awful when we hurt some one else. Thus we refrain from doing so! Ta da! Now just allow that pea sized brain to realize that just because you aren't there at the slaughterhouse doesn't make the killing any less repulsive, cruel, and repugnant. Feelings, use them.