8 years ago :: Apr 22, 2010 - 10:39AM #21 | |
"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."
― Niels Bohr "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -- Albert Einstein "If one is going to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a bit of social awkwardness." -- Penny Dreadful, season one, episode two |
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8 years ago :: Apr 22, 2010 - 10:42AM #22 | |
"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."
― Niels Bohr "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -- Albert Einstein "If one is going to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a bit of social awkwardness." -- Penny Dreadful, season one, episode two |
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8 years ago :: Apr 22, 2010 - 11:05AM #23 | |
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8 years ago :: Apr 22, 2010 - 11:12AM #24 | |
I neither think that our rights come from people around us, or that some preternatural source bestowed them. They are inherent in us because we are human. We don't have a lot of rights, for instance, we don't have the right to succeed, but we do have the right to try.
A person can decide to curtail certian choices for the good of the whole, but those rights aren't limited.
Privileges.
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Yesterday, in America, 100 million gun owners did nothing.
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8 years ago :: Apr 22, 2010 - 1:59PM #25 | |
"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."
― Niels Bohr "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -- Albert Einstein "If one is going to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a bit of social awkwardness." -- Penny Dreadful, season one, episode two |
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8 years ago :: Apr 22, 2010 - 2:09PM #26 | |
"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."
― Niels Bohr "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -- Albert Einstein "If one is going to engage with the primordial forces of darkness, one must expect a bit of social awkwardness." -- Penny Dreadful, season one, episode two |
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8 years ago :: Apr 22, 2010 - 11:35PM #27 | |
allthegood - I can't imagine where you got this idea that I was ever impugning your intelligence or implying that you're ignorant, because I certainly never said or implied that. All I've been trying to do here is explain where I stand. As I must have said fifty times over the years I've posted in this forum, I honestly believe that all sentient life is equally valuable, whether human or nonhuman. I also believe that it is morally wrong to take a life for no good reason. And I do not believe that taking an animal's life because you want to eat its flesh is a good reason. Furthermore, I reject the regulation of animal exploitation, and I base this thinking on animal sentience and cognition. As I have pointed out, my beliefs have to do with my own experiences through life and how my thinking has evolved. This has nothing to do with you or your profession, so I don't know why you would insist upon making it personal.
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8 years ago :: Apr 23, 2010 - 12:49PM #28 | |
I will use arguments from 1 and 2, but not 3. I do not think it has been done, or has been set up is a valid argument for whether something is correct or not.
And I never will use 4.
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8 years ago :: Apr 23, 2010 - 12:55PM #29 | |
You keep saying that the only reason why people would continue to eat meat is that they haven't thought about it. How else am I supposed to take that?
No. You also offer reasoning why people come to different conclusions than you have. In and of itself, this is fine. We all do it. The difference is that most people change that reasoning in the face of new evidence. You don't. You keep saying the same things over and over.
Good. You can believe that.
The disconnect happens when you assert it is the only conclusion that one can come to.
You did it first.
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8 years ago :: Apr 23, 2010 - 4:20PM #30 | |
'You did it first'? What is this, sixth grade? LOL Enough already. I have no intention of changing my mind about animal exploitation, meat-eating, or animal rights in general because nobody has ever presented any real, incontrovertible scientific evidence anywhere to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that animals are not sentient creatures or that the eating of meat is good for people. You can talk about 'moderation' and 'protein' all you want, but the bottom line always is that all flesh (except fish) contains at least some saturated fat, and that is not something that humans should consume. Even your own American Heart Association states that 'saturated fats and trans fats raise blood cholesterol. A high level of cholesterol in the blood is a major risk factor for coronary heart disease, which leads to heart attack and also increases the risk of stroke.' My point has always been that if even some saturated fat is bad for you, why eat any? Nobody has conclusively proved that humans are true omnivores. And the jury is still out on just how much animal flesh Homo habilis actually consumed. (Just as nobody has ever conclusively proved that there actually is a god, that flying saucers do not exist, or that near-death experiences are nothing more than the brain closing down.) |
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