| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:15PM #51 | |
I sincerely apologize. I should have qualified that with a "many" or "some." There are many good Christians that do not support capital punishment and would not ever support the mistreatment that others here have suggested. Those Christians are the ones that speak out against the death penalty and hold the vigils outside the institutions where the murder is taking place. I don't have to believe in their god to respect their position on this topic. We could use more people like them.
Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.
I am a Humanist. I believe in a rational philosophy of life, informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by a desire to do good for its own sake and not by an expectation of a reward or fear of punishment in an afterlife. |
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:18PM #52 | |
I do not need some made up god to tell me right from wrong. Murder is wrong. Making up a good excuse to murder someone you do not like does not make it right.
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:19PM #53 | |
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Roodog wrote: > If there is no God, then the Sanctity of Human Life is a wicked delusion. But the *value* of human life is just as possible for atheists as for theists. Indeed, from some (not all) of the theists in this discussion, it appears that the value of human life to many atheists is greater than the sanctity of human life to many theists. Just because you get your value for human life from your theism (and thus think that humans are worthless if your God does not exist) does not mean that your religion is the *only* way for someone to put a value on human life. There are many paths to that conclusion, not just yours. |
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:21PM #54 | |
It is impossible to make people understand their ignorance, for it requires knowledge to perceive it; and, therefore, he that can perceive it hath it not.
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:24PM #55 | |
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Roodog wrote: > On what basis do non theists agree to not f*** other people in terms of morality, > honesty ethics in business. Where and how do you come up with your sense of decency? > If there is no God to answer to, why be a decent fellow at all? You say that to forgive > is humanistic, why forgive at all? I base my morality on my empathy for others - on the fact that I care for other human beings. I really can't understand people whose only reason for not 'f***'ing other people left and right is that they believe in a God who forbids that ... but if that is really the only reason why you try to be a decent fellow at all, all I can say is please, please never lose your faith! I, in the meantime, am a decent fellow because I don't like what will happen to other people if I am not. If you can't understand that, it's unfortunate, but happily your religion restrains you from doing all the horrible things you want to do. |
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:26PM #56 | |
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Callielou wrote: > I used to believe that also but it is a fact. Court appeals and legal issues cost more. Callielou is correct - if you do the calculations, it really does cost more on the average to execute than to give life in prison, so the economics argument for execution doesn't hold water - and, indeed, if that's really why someone is for the death penalty, then after reading up on the economics of the matter, they would switch to the other side. The fact that they generally don't do so means that the economics isn't really the issue, it's just a convenient argument. |
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:30PM #57 | |
It is impossible to make people understand their ignorance, for it requires knowledge to perceive it; and, therefore, he that can perceive it hath it not.
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:32PM #58 | |
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Excuse me for jumping in on my grandson site. I'm one who can talk from experience. If the person could'nt find a vein but kept on trying(you keep on going)If yout cant find a vein go straight for the balls...ill guarantee youll find the veins there. |
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:38PM #59 | |
Roo, as much as we are disgusted (and rightly so) by the acts of capital murderers, these murderers are still human beings; our state and federal statutes recognize this, as do our state and federal constitutions. These people are not animals, even though they may have behaved as animals. In terms of your listed options, condemned prisoners in death penalty states are typically (if not always) segregated from the rest of a prison's population from the get-go, regardless of those prisoners' levels of dangerousness to other inmates. They live on death row with (and only with) all other condemned inmates in whichever prison their states' executions are held. The only time an inmate leaves the row alive to reside permanently in another part of the prison (or another prison) is when the inmate's death sentence is commuted to life or less. Also, condemned prisoners are not necessarily any more or less a danger to other inmates than non-condemned prisoners. Additionally, states generally have either entire prisons tailored according to levels of dangerousness of the inmates (for instance, Pelican Bay in California -- for the most dangerous of the non-condemned inmates, lifers and less) or prisons segregated by area in which prisoners are incarcerated in particular areas according to their levels of dangerousness to other inmates and/or the dangerousness of the offenses of which they've been convicted.
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| 3 years ago :: Dec 10, 2009 - 9:41PM #60 | |
It is impossible to make people understand their ignorance, for it requires knowledge to perceive it; and, therefore, he that can perceive it hath it not.
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